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Dear Microsoft...

Dear Microsoft...

So I see they came out with a tablet that runs Windows 8. I was just curious if they think they have a chance to carve out a section in the tablet market when Android owns most of the market. Apple tried with the iPad and failed. Good luck Microsoft.

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Reply #26 Top

you interpret this statistic wrong. 

of course males buy more iPads. males buy more Samsung Galaxy tabs (and more Ferraris or Porsches) as well. maybe females buy more Kindles, but that device is more an ebook reader than a tablet.

i am pretty sure that females buy more iPads than Android devices.

my statement was a little ironic. i actually agree with Rolocolor that more expensive devices are bought as a status symbol. and there is nothing wrong with that. most things that men do are done to impress females. and most females are attracted by potent men.

i can see that is can be interpreted as insulting in the western societies you and i live in. our politically correct, "white", gender equality mainstream society is a shrinking minority anyways and more or less ridiculed worldwide (i travel at least twice a year).

 

Reply #27 Top

New figures are out regarding the mobile subscriber market share in the U.S. and as always it’s interesting to particularly look at the Android vs. iPhone market share. In the quarter ending in July 2012, Google’s Android share stood at 52.2% against Apple’s 33.4% with both gaining ground although Apple’s share increase was slightly higher.

http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2012/09/05/android-vs-iphone-market-share-52-against-33-percent/ 

Reply #28 Top

Quoting Jafo, reply 25
IF they were GOOD they would not suddenly discover [with the iphone 5] that a thumb's reach means they magically now fit a bigger screen. That's UTTER BULLSHIT ...they are playing catch-up with Androids because the 4 had penis-issues of inferiority.
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Don't forget the problems they had with the camera.

Reply #29 Top

Quoting kona0197, reply 24
Yet it can't even do something as simple as run Flash. As for your numbers can you post a link? Last time I checked Android had a pretty big slice of the pie.
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Flash is no longer supported by the latest version of Android as well.

the Metro/modern version of Internet Explorer does support Flash only for certain, approved websites.

Adobe does no longer develop Flash Player for mobile browsers.

Flash is a technology from the last decade. and consumes far to much battery for mobile devices. i certainly don't miss it. i heard p..n-sites still use it a lot, but hey ... on such a small screen ... wouldn't really make sense anyways.

 

here's the link you wanted: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/worldwide-market-share-tablet-systems-215958318--finance.html

you are probably confusing tablets with smartphones.

Reply #30 Top

Facebook still uses Flash for games. I don't use Internet Explorer and never will. No I am not confusing smartphones with tablets. Apple products are still ridiculously overpriced.

 

Reply #31 Top

Android owns most of the market. Apple tried with the iPad and failed.
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any numbers to back this up then?

Reply #32 Top

Jafo - the iPad is just great, so there are lines for it. Early adopters? MS has them too. So did SSDs. They're more like social events, anyway.

As I said, I hope both succeed. I just happen to like my iPad more than other devices I looked at back then. I might like an Android as well. I don't like W8. That's just me.

We were talking tablets, btw... not phones. The iPhone leaves me cold.

 

Quoting moshi, reply 26
you interpret this statistic wrong. 

of course males buy more iPads. males buy more Samsung Galaxy tabs (and more Ferraris or Porsches) as well. maybe females buy more Kindles, but that device is more an ebook reader than a tablet.

i am pretty sure that females buy more iPads than Android devices.

my statement was a little ironic. i actually agree with Rolocolor that more expensive devices are bought as a status symbol. and there is nothing wrong with that. most things that men do are done to impress females. and most females are attracted by potent men.

i can see that is can be interpreted as insulting in the western societies you and i live in. our politically correct, "white", gender equality mainstream society is a shrinking minority anyways and more or less ridiculed worldwide (i travel at least twice a year).

 
End of moshi's quote

@moshi... if you care to disregard the facts, that's your concern. I'm misinterpreting nothing. Your bias is obvious. The facts are the facts. Also, females are buying more tech than males:

http://mashable.com/2012/01/09/women-and-technology/

 

Reply #33 Top

Quoting DrJBHL, reply 32
We were talking tablets, btw... not phones.
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Oops...got sidetracked.

I'm sure the percentage domination of the iPad will only go 'down'.  There IS no other direction for them.

Reply #34 Top

Quoting DrJBHL, reply 32
They're more like social events, anyway.
End of DrJBHL's quote

It's called insidious advertising for a reason, Doc....;)

 

Reply #35 Top

Quoting kona0197, reply 24
Yet it can't even do something as simple as run Flash
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There is a browser that will run flash on the iPad.

Anyways, you like them you don't like them it still boils down to USER CHOICE.

I just don't understand the iHaters bitching all the time that Apple is bad,  Android is better or Windows is better and their penis size is bigger.

Get over it. You get what you want and can afford and be happy with it.

Reply #37 Top

It might... or not. Depends on the market, and on the offering. If Apple offers more for the buck in service (which is fantastic), equipment and ecosystem...they'll go on winning. If MS gets its game on and provides good service, lots of apps and superior equipment - they'll succeed as well. The percentages of which company has more or less become less significant as more and more go mobile. There's more than enough revenue for all.

The biggest problem for Android is that malware has increased exponentially for it through its apps which do not have the scrutiny which Apple's do.

One thing is good... on MS's side: The Surface with W8 Pro will be a hybrid which will compete across markets... MS fails only in that W8 isn't meant for desktops... and not for business. That will undo all that Gates did, eventually. The Cloud, in its present form cannot replace private ownership of storage devices and programs. They will, however, try to obliterate that in order to rent you the space and apps from the cloud, renting (as it were) you what you need the most.

Reply #39 Top

It doesn't run Flash natively like a computer does where you can install it. It relies on a browser. That was my point.

Thank you Jafo. Good numbers.

Reply #40 Top

It doesn't NEED to run it natively, and that wasn't what you wrote. It's only needed to display webpages correctly (unfortunately) so it's only really needed in a browser and that compromises webpage security and browser security.

 

Reply #41 Top

Quoting DrJBHL, reply 32
@moshi... if you care to disregard the facts, that's your concern. I'm misinterpreting nothing. Your bias is obvious. The facts are the facts. Also, females are buying more tech than males:

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">http://mashable.com/2012/01/09/women-and-technology/[/quote]

 

this is a study in the U.S. done with 2000 people. such a study would be representative for a country of the size of Belgium. for the U.S. there would be a standard deviation (if this is the correct translation for Schwankungsbreite) of about 20%.

the study was mandated by HSN. result is not really surprising then. 

Reply #42 Top
Quoting Jafo, reply 36


 

http://betanews.com/2012/06/18/would-you-believe-android-tablet-adoption-is-even-with-ipad/ 

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those numbers are weird.

Blackberry Playbook 8%  ????

those must have been stolen from a Chinese factory. RIM didn't even ship that much.  http://www.rim.com/investors/documents/pdf/pressrelease/2012/Q2_press_release.pdf

Reply #43 Top

Quoting Jafo, reply 36


 

http://betanews.com/2012/06/18/would-you-believe-android-tablet-adoption-is-even-with-ipad/ 
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Not based on actual units sold but is based on a survey.

"But I'm skeptical and have a couple problems with the data; timing is most significant concern. Frank N. Magid Associates conducted the survey -- 2,540 Internet users ages 8 to 64 -- for OPA between March 19 - 26."

Reply #44 Top

Quoting Island, reply 16

Quoting Roloccolor, reply 11is that bc its a very good product ? or bc of the hype to be one of the lemmings that have a iphone an inano, ipod, ipad im unsure ID.
I see the "i" things mostly as a gimmic 

I believe over 50% of Americans have an Apple product, the myth that it's just a select few "lemmings" has been thrown out the window.

Like it or not, Apple makes good hardware and software, has a great app ecosystem, and is easy to use.

 
End of Island's quote

I would dispute the good hardware part, at least from a support standpoint.  Doing repair on an Apple device is about a much fun as getting a root canal.

Reply #45 Top

@Jafo  One inaccuracy I see with that chart is HP Touchpad runs WebOS, not Android.

Reply #46 Top

Quoting BernieTime, reply 45
@Jafo One inaccuracy I see with that chart is HP Touchpad runs WebOS, not Android.
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Either way the % market share of Apple is on the decline thanks to the onset of competition and/or better products....;)

Reply #47 Top

I hate apple, hate the whole system they have and will never buy an iPhone.

The iPad is actually brilliant--what it's useful for is amazing.  The only problem is they didn't open it up to user hardware/firmware upgrades and third party development.

Reply #48 Top

Quoting Jafo, reply 47
Quoting BernieTime, reply 45@Jafo One inaccuracy I see with that chart is HP Touchpad runs WebOS, not Android.

Either way the % market share of Apple is on the decline thanks to the onset of competition and/or better products....
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I can speak for the Nexus 7...a great device at a fantastic price, but the ecosystem for it was pretty much terrible.  Maybe it's improved since then, and I'm sure it'll keep improving.  It only worked if all you wanted was a great browser and decent OS.

If I had the cash I'd prefer an iPad...and I don't buy Apple.

At least with Windows RT tabs every single app is built for a tablet, a current version of the OS, uses the resources available...

Can't much say that with Android (or iOS, though I'm sure it's better off.)

Reply #49 Top

Quoting Sinperium, reply 47
I hate apple, hate the whole system they have and will never buy an iPhone.
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I have no Apple products but I don't exactly hate Apple, either.  However, I certainly don't like Apple's advertising strategies, marketing strategies or attitude:

I don't like Apple's advertising because it is smug and makes out that its products are the best and superior to everyone else's, that they are must have items, because if you don't have them you're not one of the in-crowd and therefore far less acceptable, like some kind of social pariah or something.  So, Apple makes some quality products, but its advertising need not make out that nobody else does, and that if buy a competitor's product you're an idiot.

I don't like Apple's locking in or out of things. If I buy music or movies, I want to be able to play them on a device of my choosing, not like iTunes have to go out and purchase another copy to play on another device or elsewhere.  I don't like it that perfectly good and respectable software is locked out of the Mac ecosystem, thus restricting the users choice to Apple software alone or having to do without. 

I don't like Apple because it is law suit happy and sues anyone and everyone with even remotely similar ideas and will use any means, fair or unfair, to win.  It's like Apple is trying to eliminate competition so it can climb to the top of the heap, not because its products are better, but that there is no viable competition in that specific area because it has been wiped out.

I don't like the fact that it gets all of its products manufactured for something like $2.50 an hour but sells them at premium prices like they were made for $25.00 an hour.  The savings it makes on manufacturing offshore [as compared to onshore with more costly union labour] are simply not passed on to the consumer.

Yes, and I've had Apple fanbois try to alter/influence my way thinking with various arguments before... as you can see, they failed.  So if you're thinking it, don't bother, orright!

Reply #50 Top

Starkers - It's not like Microsoft is any better.