Rebellion Survey

I filled it out, but the faction balance question is kind of pointless right now with Visari Rebel in the state they are in.

What's amazing me more than anything else with what people are saying is how many people think the Kol's the best capital the TEC have...

great survey, I enjoyed looking at the data and filling it out.  We need more people to participate in this please!  I want to see the individual sheets that everyone filled out so we can see how the first question about sins experience skews the rest of the data as a whole.  The Kol is obviously a VERY misunderstood warship by many sins players, I would venture to guess the single players consider the kol as being very powerful.  Interesting results, thanks for the survey!!

it was worded most powerful not best - the best cap ship is the tec colonly ship because of its armastice 

i would liked to have seen options on your survey to find out how many want titans levels to be lost and the few other issues that are being debated 

edit - nice to see im not the only one who plays SP allot

Wanted to fill it in myself, but making a ladder of the capships, which one is the strongest one, etc? That is too much, as sometimes its comparing apples with oranges. 

Mmmm, I get to pull a typo-nazi moment.

You put Advent twice for most powerful capitals. Yes its real obvious its meant to be Vasari and you just brainfarted, but goddamnit, someone has to get all uppity about it.

But filled in and done.

Done and done. I noticed that "Phase jumping Starbases" isn't in the list of overpowered abilities, but it really should be.

Also noticed the total domination of the bottom of the rankings by the Advent Loyalists.

Yeah i was amazed. I thought atm the Corsev is probably the strongest capital ship (For TEC at least)

Look at how many people are single player/online"comp stomp" experienced vs. multiplayer experienced.  This most likely is the cause for the distortion of opinion in the community.

It is.  Surveys shouldn't be regarded as fact, but rather as opinion.  The Kol and Corsev are perfect examples.

If you look at the numbers, the Kol is actually ranked #4. The Marza and Sova are tied for highest, then the Akkan, Kol, Corsev, and Dunov. The Corsev is also hampered by it being really sucky back in beta 1, and people probably just haven't played as much TEC since the other races came out.

And since a majority of players of the game don't play online MP, it's not surprising the survey would show the same thing.

Filled it in for ya.

You need to keep in mind the kol may be rated high because its the singleplayer community for the most part that is voting.

Thanks Volt, for putting up the survery.  Very interesting.  (There is probably some bias in your lists of underpowered and overpowered abilities),

I too was surprised by some of the results.  For example: The Kortul as the #1 Vasari Cap ship?!

I am curious, who is taking this survey?  Or where is it linked from?  Only from these boards?  And, I wonder, does it retally your (duplicate) results, if you go back in to re-examine the results?? 

This is why rating the caps in that survey is nonsense. How do you decide, whether Skirantra is better than Egg? Each is needed for different purposes.

I'm curious about the attitude to "The Maw". In SP it is obviously OPed, I am not sure why only 2 agree with me.

It can destroy a whole fleet in a second, why? Because no one builds ships other than Caps and corvettes in MP now?

Timmy! Its not "nonsense", but it is opinion, and it is subjective.  The caps do fulfill certain roles, but none the less, you can only pick one first.  And some people have favorites.  And different definitions of what "powerfull" means.  IE: the hardest to kill or the most offensive strength?  etc., etc.  

The ranking results gave me meaningful conclusions.  So its not pure nonsense.

Gundamlit, maybe because the Maw is a level 6 ability?  And is so hard to get that its rarely a factor?  Lvl 6 Missile Barrage can do the same and more!  But it didn't even make the list.

There are several abilities that can destroy whole fleets in about 1-5 seconds and they don't even require the ships in question to be level 6.  Getting anywhere near an Eradica is easily just as scary.

In the case of the Missile Barrage, at least that can be interrupted or safely evaded and you won't see it a second time for a short while.

I tried to cover the abilities that I figured would be most likely to be posted and allowed others to input their own submissions.  Without making it survey response only and I don't want to take the time for that, the only other option was listing all of them which wasn't feasible.

I'm assuming the Kortul was #1 because of the SP players, though it really is a good ship.  They probably assume that Power Surge is better than it is and don't realize it's primary purpose is to heal the Kortul and increase the potency of Disruptive Strikes.

The only link to it is this thread and what do you mean by retally?

I rated the capital ships on how much utility they give to my fleet. I know some abilities make other ships more important to strategies and countering certain types of spam(from a MP POV). Which in my opinion isn't easily measured in a poll like this outside of asking "When faced with "X" situation, how would your rate these ships". Nice poll though.

Re-Tally, or recount.  I was curious if the survey web site was smart enough to prevent accidental re-voting, or duplicate/triplicate submissions, if someone went back to the site to look at later results. 

After to paying attention to the total number of votes, and revisiting the site several times, I don't believe its making the mistake of duplicate submission.  The total number of votes doesn't change upon revisit.

Oh correct.  That's a setting I can choose.  I chose to allow people to update their responses instead of just making a new one.

Surveys of opinions rarely contain any reliable data. Nonetheless, I filled one out because I haven't been asked to before and was curious how it would be.

There are a few features I think have been done incorrectly. I realize that you weren't trying to make the holy grail of surveys, but just to inform you:

• There is no option to weigh things equally. Without this, the survey probably got a lot more people skipping the questions. When things are close, and we have to pick a winner or not answer, we're going to not answer. Especially when it's labeled as "If you do not play as the faction enough for an educated answer" very few have done an exhaustive playtest study on these things. For example, maybe I feel that the TEC ships are fairly even except the Kol. I have done some playtesting with them, but not enough to differentiate between them, so clearly, my only option is to skip. That is still relevant data. Otherwise, you're just gathering biased data and data from those who really really know the differences (which is what you really want, but it's hard to get just that. better to try to wash out the biased data with average opinions).
• There is no comparison between the capital ships of the different races. While nothing too meaningful can be taken directly from this response (people like their race, and so their ships will be higher, and the ones they want buffed will be really low), you can weed out the absolute worst, the absolute best and then show which are about even by comparing this result to the race-specific rankings. You might even be able to show that a particular faction is at a disadvantage.
• I somehow missed the question about which faction is the strongest. Also needs support for ties.
• All-important to conducting a survey: determining the bias of your sample. There should be questions about what your favorite faction is (not just the strongest), what you often play as, a few questions to determine the knowledge level of the player (ie "How do you think Shield Mitigation functions?", "Which of the following is the best response to a fleet of Long Range Frigates?").
• As Timmy pointed out, 'most powerful' has many interpretations. Trying to draw 1 statistic from that is plagued with errors. If the intention was to find out what 'the best' starting capital ship is, that should have been asked instead. If the intention was to find out what 'the best' capital ship in a firefight is, that should have been asked instead. If the intention was to find out what people think 'the best' capital ship should be, that should have been asked (I think you got a few of these). If the intention was to find out what 'the worst' capital ship was, I think that is the only thing you can accurately draw from the asked question (because 'worst' covers all of those questions).
• This isn't really your fault, and I'm not sure how you'd do it, but I am always upset that polls do not report their error. Especially when there's a breakdown of data like for the capital ship rankings. For example, the Progenitor shows the highest percentage of votes for the #1 capital ship, but it's average rating puts it at #2. The only reason that happened is because most everyone agrees that the top 3 for advent are progenitor, halcyon, discord. How to order them is a matter of opinion. Progenitor was a tie between #1 and #3. Halcyon was a tie between #1 and #2. Discord was a tie between #2 and #3. Clearly the error was +/-1 at least, so a ranking of 2.5 should reflect that +/- 1, but it doesn't. Not to mention that this is, what? 60-70 (at the moment) surveys out of how many Rebellion players? What if everyone who didn't take the survey thinks the Revelation is the best thing since slice bread?

I get what you mean about weighing things equally and about how my wording could have been unclear.  "Most powerful" was intended to mean "best overall," but apparently that was not clear.

I'm glad you took it well. It's something you have to expect with polls. And, for the record, I don't think it's worthless. But I can see people overstating the importance of things based off the results, and so it's important to bring up details now before all the results are in, to show they are unbiased.