Tangle Web..ahhhhh....

from Elemental Forums

Just had a 35 round battle that went thus (I had my soverign against the spiders on a level 3 quest).

First round I kill on with fireballs, they close on me.

Second round I kill one more and injury another, they tangle web me.

Rest of battle I'm tangle webbed, they very ocassionally hit me but it doesn't matter since every time it wears off they we cast tangle web.

Result the next 33 turns I can do nothing, until the tiny ocassional amounts of damage kill me.

 

Tangle web needs to be resistable or have a call down longer than it's duration.

 

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Reply #1 from Elemental Forums Top

Or not. You just need to bring more units, more champions, 

Maybe we need spells against those Save or Suck effects: Freedom of Movement, for instance, would make you immune to Slow, Pull of the Earth, and web...

Reply #2 from Elemental Forums Top

Oh dear lord I hope not. I don't think there's anything in the world less inspired than those. Cast Y for awesome, cast X to counter. YXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYfuckit.

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Reply #3 from Elemental Forums Top

this should be fixed but in all honesty, why are you walking around with your sov on his own?

That's asking for trouble.

Reply #4 from Elemental Forums Top

You shouldn't walk around with your Sovereign like that. You paid the price for it.

 

Makes me more certain they should have designed the Sovereigns like Master of Magics and Age of Wonders: Shadow Magics Wizards.

Reply #5 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting cfehunter, reply 3
this should be fixed but in all honesty, why are you walking around with your sov on his own?

That's asking for trouble.
End of cfehunter's quote

really? a level 10 sov in legendary plate shouldn't be able to take on a band of spiders on his own?

Reply #6 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting Heavenfall, reply 2
Oh dear lord I hope not. I don't think there's anything in the world less inspired than those. Cast Y for awesome, cast X to counter.
End of Heavenfall's quote

I think its very good to have spells that can be countered with other spells if spell Y is not overpowered without spell X. Both spells should be options, but not required to win the game.

Quoting Sethai, reply 5
really? a level 10 sov in legendary plate shouldn't be able to take on a band of spiders on his own?
End of Sethai's quote

Oh, can a Sovereign really reach such a high level? I think too many stat points could be the problem why the scaling does not work very good.

Reply #7 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting Heavenfall, reply 2
Oh dear lord I hope not. I don't think there's anything in the world less inspired than those. Cast Y for awesome, cast X to counter. YXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYfuckit.
End of Heavenfall's quote

I disagree that this is bad. This came up alot in MOO2 where you had multiple 'tech up or die' situations, depending on what your enemies were sending against. It was like a real arms race. Stalemates are ok  and possibly quite dramatic in some situations. Two master wizards in single combat reminds me of a Yoda vs. the Emperor kinda thing. I think its ok.

Its clear from recent observations that direct damage spells are still problematic. Versatile counter-spells could help alot I think. I'm thinking that if DD spells take a full round to cast, and defensive spells are instant cast but last two rounds, you can break most stalemates, but I don't think you want to break all of them. 

Reply #8 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting cfehunter, reply 3
this should be fixed but in all honesty, why are you walking around with your sov on his own?

That's asking for trouble.
End of cfehunter's quote

True but if not for tangle web I could have take them all in about three rounds with hardly a scratch.

Reply #9 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting econundrum1, reply 8

Quoting cfehunter, reply 3this should be fixed but in all honesty, why are you walking around with your sov on his own?

That's asking for trouble.


True but if not for tangle web I could have take them all in about three rounds with hardly a scratch.
End of econundrum1's quote

 

Hell, could have taken all of them in 1 round with Infernal... and without a scratch. things like this make me now make sure I always have 'parties' of two units minimum. At least by the time I hit mid-game

 

But overall, by and by... 99% of monster encounters are a cinch if you do tactical battle