Anybody else that prefers playing with bots?

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Ok first of all, i  love online games and especially online RTS. From starcraft and age of empires to company of heroes and world in conflict i've enjoyed them all with other people. However, i purchased demigod recently and i've really enjoying my self playing with bots and after i got the hang of it i decided to go online of course. after some games though i got to say "no thanks i prefer my mindless bots".

First of all, the speed of the game. Forget the lag, the rage quits etc etc but come on playing on normal speed? the game is PAINFULLY slow. it doesnt test reflexes or skill. I can understand that playing on fast with bad pings is not the best idea but this is not what people complain about. I have tried to host a few games with the game speed on fast and people started leaving and complaining that its too hard to play on fast. our pings were <150 so latency wouldnt be a problem. even managed to launch a 3vs3 with game speed on fast, no lag at all and still got whining all the time. Am i the only one who thinks that demigod is no fun at normal or lower speed?

Secondly, the LAG horror. nope, its not the ping, it got nothing to do with peoples internet connections. its game lag, average joe with an overpriced pc from best buy cranks up his graphics settings to maximum ruinning everybodys game. Dawn of war 2 addresses this issue by initialising a kick vote for someone that lags the game due to low frames per second. is it so hard to implement this on demigod?

Last but not least: quiters. no i am not talking about rage quiters. if the game is unplayable due to lag or it is 100% certain that their team is going to lose then there is no point sitting and watching their citadel getting destoryed. In all professional RTS matches the loser quits when he sees that he cannot win. NOBODY wants to see their base getting destroyed. However, people randomly quitting the game for no reason is extremely annoying.

On the other hand with bots, i get to choose any map i want. the game is running on fast which tests your reflexes and makes the overall experience much much better. i constantly enjoy 60 frames per second which makes the game look beautiful in motion. finally, i'm in a game within seconds from launching demigod. so why play with people again?

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Reply #1 from Demigod Forums Top

bots do not provide a challenge.  I love the idea you must play as a team to win as a team.

Reply #2 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Tototot, reply 1
bots do not provide a challenge.  I love the idea you must play as a team to win as a team.
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neither the game on normal speed provides any sort of challenge. its a borefest. you play as a team with the bots as well and lets face it: bots wont quit on you and most of the people dont really care about their team mates but i guess you didnt even read my post.

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Reply #3 from Demigod Forums Top

I prefer bots too, can't stand their epeen showing underaged dumbasses. However I haven't been able to speed up or slow down the game yet. Supposedly there's an option for it :S

Reply #4 from Demigod Forums Top

Dunno, I like the speed of the game. Its "relaxing" in a way. I dont need another twitchy mouseclick fest. And in combat I think the reflexes do have to be decent already to get the better of another player. Also, this game is not about the relfexes I think. More about making choices about where to go, what tactic to use etc. Not who can click the special abilities the quickest....

But of course if others share your opinion, go play on quicker speeds with them. 

Reply #5 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting twifightDG, reply 3
I prefer bots too, can't stand their epeen showing underaged dumbasses. However I haven't been able to speed up or slow down the game yet. Supposedly there's an option for it
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yeah in game options there is an option to put the overall speed of the game on slow, normal, fast. default is normal of course but give it a shot on fast.

 

Quoting ArnieDude, reply 4
Dunno, I like the speed of the game. Its "relaxing" in a way. I dont need another twitchy mouseclick fest. And in combat I think the reflexes do have to be decent already to get the better of another player. Also, this game is not about the relfexes I think. More about making choices about where to go, what tactic to use etc. Not who can click the special abilities the quickest....

But of course if others share your opinion, go play on quicker speeds with them. 
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demigod is a mouse click fest already no matter what speed its running. yes the game is about tactics as well and putting the speed to fast wont change that. it just becomes more challenging and fun.

Reply #6 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting MrRixter, reply 2

neither the game on normal speed provides any sort of challenge. its a borefest. you play as a team with the bots as well and lets face it: bots wont quit on you and most of the people dont really care about their team mates but i guess you didnt even read my post.
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This is a game about decision making, not how fast you can click on something.

Reply #7 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Tototot, reply 6

Quoting MrRixter, reply 2
neither the game on normal speed provides any sort of challenge. its a borefest. you play as a team with the bots as well and lets face it: bots wont quit on you and most of the people dont really care about their team mates but i guess you didnt even read my post.
 

This is a game about decision making, not how fast you can click on something.
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if you put the game on fast it is still going to be about decision making but you have to react faster.

Reply #8 from Demigod Forums Top

First of all, the speed of the game. Forget the lag, the rage quits etc etc but come on playing on normal speed? the game is PAINFULLY slow.
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Lol. Have you played any turn-based games or Sins ever?

I love comp stomps but not this thread...sorry :-p

Reply #9 from Demigod Forums Top

MrRixter, more than 10 cups of coffee before breakfast are not good for you. ;)

I can see how somebody might enjoy a faster pace, I prefer the standard settings mostly. You can change the gamespeed in the options in the game lobby and if you set them to 'adjustable' you can change them ingame with NUM+/_ IIRC.

HF!

EDIT: I'm refferring to the options menu in the game lobby (where you can change starting levels, money, spawn times...).

Reply #10 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Colonel_Jessep, reply 9
MrRixter, more than 10 cups of coffee before breakfast are not good for you.

I can see how somebody might enjoy a faster pace, I prefer the standard settings mostly. You can change the gamespeed in the options in the game lobby and if you set them to 'adjustable' you can change them ingame with NUM+/_ IIRC.

HF!
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I tried that but saw no visual feedback to tell me anything changed. Got a screenshot of that perhaps? I also heard you have to turn it on in Options first but I see no option where I can change that.

 

Reply #11 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting MrRixter, reply 2

Quoting Tototot, reply 1bots do not provide a challenge.  I love the idea you must play as a team to win as a team.
 

neither the game on normal speed provides any sort of challenge. its a borefest. you play as a team with the bots as well and lets face it: bots wont quit on you and most of the people dont really care about their team mates but i guess you didnt even read my post.
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There is a difference between NO challenge and a POTENTIAL challenge.

Reply #12 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting MrRixter, reply 7


 This is a game about decision making, not how fast you can click on something.
if you put the game on fast it is still going to be about decision making but you have to react less
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Fixed, you can't interrupt many skills anymore due to speed. Erebus' mass charm becomes useless as by the time the game registers your key-press the moment is gone. Prediction and reacting are different as reacting is about "ok rook is using hammer slam i'm going to..." while prediction is "he may use hammer slam now." predicting is not 100% accurate while reacting is.

You can enjoy fast speed with with the other small group of people but the majority prefer to react not predict when they play.

Finally I don't mean this as an insult but a suggestion. I'd suggest going to play something different probably DoTA would be more your speed. Or maybe an FPS as fast speed and strategy do not increase with each other. The more speed a game has the less stategy there is. Sins of a Solar Empire is very strategic game, it's also a very slow game. TF2 is a very fast game with has very little strategy both due to speed and it's random crit system.

The slower the speed of the game the more strategy it has as you need to really think before you move.

Reply #13 from Demigod Forums Top

I tried that but saw no visual feedback to tell me anything changed. Got a screenshot of that perhaps? I also heard you have to turn it on in Options first but I see no option where I can change that.
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It's not in the Demigod game options but in the game lobby options (where you can change starting levels, money, spawn times...) You might have to set those options each time you change the map or play online though, the game resets them.

Sorry, wrong PC for screenshot. :)

Reply #14 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Colonel_Jessep, reply 9
MrRixter, more than 10 cups of coffee before breakfast are not good for you.

I can see how somebody might enjoy a faster pace, I prefer the standard settings mostly. You can change the gamespeed in the options in the game lobby and if you set them to 'adjustable' you can change them ingame with NUM+/_ IIRC.

HF!

EDIT: I'm refferring to the options menu in the game lobby (where you can change starting levels, money, spawn times...).
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I dont drink coffee, imagine if i did :P . thats a good idea, if i managed to lauch a game with speed on adjustable maybe i could sneak in a faster speed but probably most people would quit.

 

Quoting Xinoxlx, reply 12

Quoting MrRixter, reply 7

 This is a game about decision making, not how fast you can click on something.
if you put the game on fast it is still going to be about decision making but you have to react less
Fixed, you can't interrupt many skills anymore due to speed. Erebus' mass charm becomes useless as by the time the game registers your key-press the moment is gone. Prediction and reacting are different as reacting is about "ok rook is using hammer slam i'm going to..." while prediction is "he may use hammer slam now." predicting is not 100% accurate while reacting is.

You can enjoy fast speed with with the other small group of people but the majority prefer to react not predict when they play.

Finally I don't mean this as an insult but a suggestion. I'd suggest going to play something different probably DoTA would be more your speed. Or maybe an FPS as fast speed and strategy do not increase with each other. The more speed a game has the less stategy there is. Sins of a Solar Empire is very strategic game, it's also a very slow game. TF2 is a very fast game with has very little strategy both due to speed and it's random crit system.

The slower the speed of the game the more strategy it has as you need to really think before you move.
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well if <150 ping works fine with fps games then it will not be any problem with demigod no matter how fast the game goes. lets face it even at fast game speed the game is not that reflex challenging. try unreal tournament 2004 to see what i mean. In my opinion the game gives you plenty of time to react even at fast speed. furthermore, prediction is required in some skills even if the game runs on normal. Well the problem is i really enjoy demigod and no way i'm going back to warcraft 3 and dota. moved on from this game years ago. well about TF2... i dont really like the game but if we were on the tf2 forum and you made that strategy comment they would chase you with stones...

Reply #15 from Demigod Forums Top

It would seem to me that the complain has less to do with playing with/against live players than with the network and online conduct issues.

Perhaps wait for v1.01, then host a few fast speed games and see how it goes. If the connections are smooth, you'll find human players to be a lot more exciting to play with/against than mindless bots. Better still, try to get friends to get the game and get online with you.

Reply #16 from Demigod Forums Top

no cuz i dont like feeders and im not bad

Reply #17 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Colonel_Jessep, reply 13

I tried that but saw no visual feedback to tell me anything changed. Got a screenshot of that perhaps? I also heard you have to turn it on in Options first but I see no option where I can change that.It's not in the Demigod game options but in the game lobby options (where you can change starting levels, money, spawn times...) You might have to set those options each time you change the map or play online though, the game resets them.


Sorry, wrong PC for screenshot.
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Ah so it's a multiplayer only option? As you could have guessed seeing the topic title I usually play single player skirmish.

Reply #18 from Demigod Forums Top

The more speed a game has the less stategy there is.
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Personally I don't agree with this statement at all.

Maybe you could say "the more speed a game has, the less time you have to focus on strategy."

Reply #19 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting twifightDG, reply 17

Quoting Colonel_Jessep, reply 13
I tried that but saw no visual feedback to tell me anything changed. Got a screenshot of that perhaps? I also heard you have to turn it on in Options first but I see no option where I can change that.It's not in the Demigod game options but in the game lobby options (where you can change starting levels, money, spawn times...) You might have to set those options each time you change the map or play online though, the game resets them.


Sorry, wrong PC for screenshot.

 

Ah so it's a multiplayer only option? As you could have guessed seeing the topic title I usually play single player skirmish.
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no no no. Its in the game lobby, you know the one where you pick what demigod your playing and such. Doesnt have to be multiplayer. Though I dont think you can use it in the tournament.

Reply #20 from Demigod Forums Top

There are plenty of fast, twitchy games out there. Its nice that DG is not just another one of them. If you want fast and twitchy, I recommend Dawn of War 2. Doesn't get much twitchier or hectic for a strategy game than that. Play as the Eldar, too, who require the most amount of reflexes, micromanagement and awareness to play even moderately effectively.

Reply #21 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Resist_The_Dawn, reply 19



Quoting twifightDG,
reply 17

Quoting Colonel_Jessep, reply 13
I tried that but saw no visual feedback to tell me anything changed. Got a screenshot of that perhaps? I also heard you have to turn it on in Options first but I see no option where I can change that.It's not in the Demigod game options but in the game lobby options (where you can change starting levels, money, spawn times...) You might have to set those options each time you change the map or play online though, the game resets them.


Sorry, wrong PC for screenshot.

 

Ah so it's a multiplayer only option? As you could have guessed seeing the topic title I usually play single player skirmish.


 

no no no. Its in the game lobby, you know the one where you pick what demigod your playing and such. Doesnt have to be multiplayer. Though I dont think you can use it in the tournament.
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Woa! I found it, thanks so much. Never really payed attention to the Game Options button in the lobby screen, as I'm usually busy picking my DG and map. Got it now though, thanks again :) Confirming it's available in Skirmish, not in Tournament.

Reply #22 from Stardock Forums Top

Last but not least: quiters. no i am not talking about rage quiters. if the game is unplayable due to lag or it is 100% certain that their team is going to lose then there is no point sitting and watching their citadel getting destoryed. In all professional RTS matches the loser quits when he sees that he cannot win. NOBODY wants to see their base getting destroyed. However, people randomly quitting the game for no reason is extremely annoying.
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Ummm.  This is not a professional RTS (how much are you getting paid for playing???? ).  People sometimes have CRASHES, too, you know.  I get about 1-2 crashes a day for about 5-10 games a day.   Yeah, I'm retired and a relative hit the lotto. :)  ( so, now I'm a boy-toy ).