The Epic Battle- Turns Out Un-Epicly

How a Good Game Went ad In Seconds

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I was just playnig an awesome 4v4 game. I was vasari with another ally, the others were TEC and Advent. We were going against two TEC, an Advent and a Vasari player.

After about two hours the game was fun. When- disaster struck.

The bottom left corner read:

EXPERIMENTAL WEAPON BEING CONSTRUCTUED AT PELENEOS

When this happened I immediately knew it was the Nova, Kostura or Deliverance. They started taunting us, saying,

"How many I have huh? lollo"

Pushing aside my annoyance for the spelling and grammar, I said he had only one and was trying to scare us. As it turns out, he has two, the other TEC player has one, and the Advent player has a Deliverance.

Me and my Advent ally rush to get a Kostura. Once I get it, I fired at Peleneos, figuring it would damage the nearby Nova (First time I built the Kostura) (And I managed to see the Nova right next to the planet)

It smashed the planet to nothingness, but later revealed the Nova was intact.

His two Novas, along with hsi other friend's, fire. They take out three of my seven planets.

By now I'm pissed off. I declare ultimate war on him (Three star systems) and invade his system with two Kortuls, two Skirantas and a Space Egg. I smash his defenses by surprise. I quickly colonize and fortify that planet with 5 Missile Platforms and 2 hangars. I continue until I get to Peleneos.

I was shocked. He had his there, (the other was at a faraway planet) and was constructing three more. I smashed them all.

As it turns out, their Vasari Player had constructued two Kosturas in the confsuing and blew us to bits.

Would that be considered spamming? He fired at least twenty rounds all in all from his Novas- and kept hitting my planets.

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Reply #1 from Sins Forums Top

They're a little weak for it in a bigger game, but I think I'd have taken a "unique" approach to the super weapons.  You get one, and only one.  If you could pop a planet with one of them, it would be about perfect that way.

Reply #2 from Sins Forums Top

While they invested their money in building so many super weapon, you should have built a huge force to crush them before they got there. BTW, a nova can withstand multiple hit from the Kostura Cannons.

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Reply #3 from Sins Forums Top

I was shocked. He had his there, (the other was at a faraway planet) and was constructing three more. I smashed them all.

As it turns out, their Vasari Player had constructued two Kosturas in the confsuing and blew us to bits.

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To be honest, all of you lost the moment you allowed them to build so many super weapons. That said, the TEC player could have delayed their deployment or destroyed them with a rush of spammed scouts with their anti-building ability researched.

To build two novas at the same time meant that he did not have enough resources for a fleet, which also meant that you didnt attack him earlier, or else you would have witnessed his few forces and continue on to conquer him earlier.

Me and my Advent ally rush to get a Kostura. Once I get it, I fired at Peleneos, figuring it would damage the nearby Nova (First time I built the Kostura) (And I managed to see the Nova right next to the planet)
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Total failure, while I hope it serves you as a hard learned lesson. You should have known that your super weapon would not destroy his weapon. Second, you did it wrong, you REACTED to them building super weapon with you building super weapons, that was stupid, there was no way you could win, they already had a headstart. What you must do in that situation is exploit their weakness, that is, their small fleets. Attack them head with all your ships, dont waste resources in a super weapon (unless you have ample or already have max ship cap) and build ships to destroy his planets.

By now I'm pissed off. I declare ultimate war on him (Three star systems) and invade his system with two Kortuls, two Skirantas and a Space Egg. I smash his defenses by surprise. I quickly colonize and fortify that planet with 5 Missile Platforms and 2 hangars. I continue until I get to Peleneos.
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That finally sealed your team fate. You lost time colonizing and fortifying and insignificant planet, one which would not be subject to counter attack, you should have pressed on to the planets with the weapons.

Your team got owned hard, but remember, the best defence is a good offense. Dont let it happen twice.  :thumbsup:

Would that be considered spamming? He fired at least twenty rounds all in all from his Novas- and kept hitting my planets.
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No, that would be considered good use of his Novas, or, as i would put it, Victory.

Reply #4 from Sins Forums Top

Unfortunatly, it sounds like you waited too long. Thats an easy mistake to make in this game, and is nothing to be ashamed of. 

 

I have to agree with Gabal, you should have spammed LRM and Seige frigates and attacked his planets ASAP, I wouldnt have colonized since the situation was so dire, but at the same time I suppose thats opinion rather than stratagy written in stone. 

 

The trick is, their fleets were small, and you could have rushed them.

Now, spamming super wepons sucks, but I have done it before (in my defense, it was a large map, and I had over 1,000,000 credits at once....so I kinda had nothing better to do).

But, I cannot say the other team was cheating. 

Not every game is meant to be perfect, thats why its a game. 

 

Just try another one, and move on. 

 

 

Also, if you had 7 planets at the 2 hour mark....it must have been a very slow game. 

Reply #5 from Sins Forums Top

Several things you COULD have done. Even with a Novalith, they aren't guarnteed of winning. Sure they'll nuke a planet, but you can re-colonize in minutes. And the cool down timer limits them.

Main thing I can see, though, is after 2 hours you only had 7 planets in a three star game ? One or two players should have been out by this point. The game must have been pretty static. Missile platforms and hangars shouldn't even be a consideration for fleets on either side. There should have been continual carnage on either side, and diverting time/resources to multiple novaliths/kosturas should have been crippling.

 

What were you doing on your side ?

Reply #6 from Sins Forums Top
Quoting General_Harada, reply 5

What were you doing on your side ?


End of General_Harada's quote

This is an important question.  We understand how the other side was planning on defeating you, but we have no clue how you were planning on defeating them.  The tactical advice (siege frigates/lrm frigates, nova scout sabotage) is valuable and worth knowing because understanding your tactical capabilities can inform your strategy in the future, but I don't know what your plan was to win.

Sun Tzu once wrote that a victorious army wins and then goes to war, while a defeated army goes to war and then tries to find a way to win.  That's a point that Gabal was alluding to when he pointed out that you were reacting to the enemy's plan rather than driving your own.  In future games, ask yourself early on how you plan on defeating your opponents, and then constantly evaluate what strategic objectives you'll need to accomplish in order to make those objectives tactially feasible.

Reply #7 from Sins Forums Top

nice job quoting Sun Tzu.

 

So what was your side doing? We dont want to beat you down or make you feel like crap,

 

but I, myself, am just a bit curious.

 

 

Reply #8 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting Gabal, reply 3
I was shocked. He had his there, (the other was at a faraway planet) and was constructing three more. I smashed them all.
As it turns out, their Vasari Player had constructued two Kosturas in the confsuing and blew us to bits.
To be honest, all of you lost the moment you allowed them to build so many super weapons. That said, the TEC player could have delayed their deployment or destroyed them with a rush of spammed scouts with their anti-building ability researched.
To build two novas at the same time meant that he did not have enough resources for a fleet, which also meant that you didnt attack him earlier, or else you would have witnessed his few forces and continue on to conquer him earlier.
Me and my Advent ally rush to get a Kostura. Once I get it, I fired at Peleneos, figuring it would damage the nearby Nova (First time I built the Kostura) (And I managed to see the Nova right next to the planet)
Total failure, while I hope it serves you as a hard learned lesson. You should have known that your super weapon would not destroy his weapon. Second, you did it wrong, you REACTED to them building super weapon with you building super weapons, that was stupid, there was no way you could win, they already had a headstart. What you must do in that situation is exploit their weakness, that is, their small fleets. Attack them head with all your ships, dont waste resources in a super weapon (unless you have ample or already have max ship cap) and build ships to destroy his planets.
By now I'm pissed off. I declare ultimate war on him (Three star systems) and invade his system with two Kortuls, two Skirantas and a Space Egg. I smash his defenses by surprise. I quickly colonize and fortify that planet with 5 Missile Platforms and 2 hangars. I continue until I get to Peleneos.
That finally sealed your team fate. You lost time colonizing and fortifying and insignificant planet, one which would not be subject to counter attack, you should have pressed on to the planets with the weapons.
Your team got owned hard, but remember, the best defence is a good offense. Dont let it happen twice. 
Would that be considered spamming? He fired at least twenty rounds all in all from his Novas- and kept hitting my planets.
No, that would be considered good use of his Novas, or, as i would put it, Victory.
End of Gabal's quote

 

I'll say it again. It was the first time I had used a Kostura. I didn't know it wouldn't damage the structures (several users said that here who I'm not naming) and I am actually pissed off at them. I wasn't totally relying on that, as me and my ally had an extremely large siege fleet (each containing five caps) and we could raid his planets if necessary to destroy them the old fashion way.

Reply #9 from Sins Forums Top

is there any particular reason  you hadnt used that fleet? Were you trying to 

build up as much as you could?

Reply #11 from Sins Forums Top

Was that sarcasm?

*feels*

No sarcasm there.


:D

Reply #12 from Sins Forums Top

Just to clear some things up...
The Kostura DOES damage structures. Every hit from a Kostura decreases a unit or structure's health by 10%. Their primary purpose, however, is to disable enemy orbital structures (3 mins!) and units (15 secs).

Think of the Kostura as a supporting weapon for your fleet. Attacking a huge fleet becomes easier when their hangers/repair platforms/turrets/whatever are out of the picture for three minutes and every single unit takes 10% their max HP damage and is shut down for 15 seconds.