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Start11 1.25 Release Issue Report Thread

July 18, 2022 11:26:00 AM from Stardock ForumsStardock Forums

With the Start11 1.25 release, we are creating this thread so that users can report any observed issues.  

Obtaining Start11 1.25

Object Desktop members can get the release from within Object Desktop Manager 

Individual purchases (as well as Object Desktop Members) can also be obtained from your account page: https://store.stardock.com/myaccount/products

For guest check-out purchase (no account), from this link: http://www.stardock.com/support/productkeyretrieval

Reporting an issue

Please include the following for anything found:

  • Exact Windows version \ build (winver.exe)
  • Detailed steps to recreate the issue seen
  • Screenshots and videos are very helpful.  Videos can be uploaded to a cloud drive services (GoogleDrive, DropBox, OneDrive, YouTube) and links included in your post.  Images can be directly added.
  • If there are specific apps that the app does not work (well) with, please note what apps and their exact versions.  If any app is not common, a link to a trial version would be appreciated.

Thank you for your interest and any time you put into making Start11 a better product.

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Reply #1 July 18, 2022 11:27:06 AM
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Start11 1.25 Changlog

  • New - Wheel mouse over page switch area causes it to switch to another page. Also does it on page if no scrollbars there.
  • New - Show path on search results via tooltip (files / docs)
  • Added support for the forthcoming WindowBlinds 11
  • Fixed an issue where pin attempts from searches would fail
  • Fixed issue with $$$USERMENU$$$ error prompt - Win10 menu
  • Fix for X Mouse causing start menu to lose focus sometimes. Note this does not fix the native Windows 11 menu which experiences a very similar issue when the mouse is near the menu but not over it...
  • Fixed if pages not named then no shortcut text for folders showing in Win11 mode
  • Fixed issues with mouse clicks when over page bar as this causes problems with editing titles of groups
  • Adjusted icon spacing when in small taskbar mode
  • Tweak to for shutdown option installing updates correctly
  • Fixed issue with reboot always installing updates
  • Fixed issue with explorerpatcher running on Win11 dev builds causing a taskbar paint issue
  • Fixed issue with explorerpatcher installed but set to run Win11 taskbar (unsure why you would be doing this)
  • Fixed issue with running apps in dark mode when in always combine mode did not indicate they had mouseover / focus well at all - alpha is too light on border
  • Fixed issue with up arrow when opening Win10 menu not always moving from Shutdown button to bottom of quick access links list
  • Fixed issue with taskbar on top and tooltips overlapping taskbar when in autohide mode when not using Start11 taskbar feature
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Reply #2 July 18, 2022 11:27:20 AM
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Known issues

While we appreciate all feedback, please remember that we offer no official support for beta \ preview \ developer channel versions of Windows. If you report issues while in any of those early release channels, you should not expect them to be addressed unless it still exists in a retail version of Windows.

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Reply #3 July 18, 2022 11:27:30 AM
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All, 

Start11 1.30 was released today, 10/11/2022:

https://forums.stardock.com/514883/start11-130-release-issue-report-thread

Thanks for all your time and feedback.

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Reply #4 July 18, 2022 10:59:58 PM
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Right click menu for sound and network shows up on the right monitor now if you have dual screens and taskbar at the top, (YAY!) But I can't click on open volume mixer or sound and network settings at all. 

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Reply #5 July 19, 2022 5:52:56 AM
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When one icon in the lower right corner of the taskbar flashes, other icons and TIME&DATE will also refresh and flash every 2 seconds?...very annoying

Win11 X64 22621.232

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Reply #6 July 19, 2022 8:20:26 AM
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Hello,

Yesterday I reinstalled Windows 11 and then Start 11 1.25.

Before reinstalling Windows I couldn't pin any universal app to the Start 11 menu, but the icons were fine. After installing, all universal app icons are small.

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Reply #7 July 19, 2022 9:25:23 AM
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Quoting lorlno111,
reply 5

When one icon in the lower right corner of the taskbar flashes, other icons and TIME&DATE will also refresh and flash every 2 seconds?...very annoying

Win11 X64 22621.232


Hi lorlno,

What is this application that is blinking?

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Reply #8 July 19, 2022 10:43:34 AM
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Like in v1.24, I've run into a couple minor issues in v1.25 when doing a search in the Start11 Windows 10 style or Windows 11 style start menu. These don't occur with the regular start menu (Start11's start menu turned off).
Here is a video that demonstrates both issues below in the Start11 Windows 10 style start menu on Windows 11.

1) On my Windows 11 laptop only, after clicking the Start button, and typing the characters of my search, the cursor doesn't catch up with the end of the text I'm typing. It lags further and further behind.

2) On both Win 10 and Win 11, searching for components of the Windows Security app doesn't find them. Try searching for "Reputation-based protection" or "Exploit protection". You can search on "security" to find the whole Windows Security app, though.

OS Build info:
1) Windows 11 Home 22H2 Build 22621.232

2) Windows 10 Home 21H2 Build 19044.1862

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Reply #9 July 19, 2022 11:58:34 AM
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Quoting TPScroggins,
reply 7


Quoting lorlno111,
reply 5

When one icon in the lower right corner of the taskbar flashes, other icons and TIME&DATE will also refresh and flash every 2 seconds?...very annoying

Win11 X64 22621.232



Hi lorlno,

What is this application that is blinking?

Paul Scroggins
Associate Technical Support Analyst

 

Wechat, chinese version of whatsapp. When new message's coming, it's blinking to draw people's attention.

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Reply #10 July 19, 2022 1:04:26 PM
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Issue:

The app icon disappears on every UWP app, when you open these app on the extended toolbar or from the start menu. When closing the app again, the icon reappears (see video).

The problem is only with UWP apps, with regular Win32/64 apps everything is ok and the icons remain in place even in the open state.

Details:

  • Windows 11 Version: 10.0.22621.290 (current)
  • Start11 Version: 1.25
  • Video recording of the problem 👉Video

 

  • Screenshot of the taskbar settings:
    Settings
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Reply #11 July 19, 2022 1:32:54 PM
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Issue:

Minor: The classic Win10 search runs beyond the range at the bottom.

Details:

  • Windows 11 Version: 10.0.22621.290 (current)
  • Start11 Version: 1.25
  • Screenshot:
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Reply #12 July 20, 2022 9:37:41 AM
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Quoting lorlno111,
reply 5

When one icon in the lower right corner of the taskbar flashes, other icons and TIME&DATE will also refresh and flash every 2 seconds?...very annoying

Win11 X64 22621.232


Quoting lorlno111,
reply 9

Wechat, chinese version of whatsapp. When new message's coming, it's blinking to draw people's attention.

I suspect you can turn that flashing off with a setting, yes?  If you do, does the systray flashing stop as well?

If not, and you just close the app so it's not in the systray, does it then stop?

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Reply #13 July 20, 2022 9:50:29 AM
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Issue:

If you don't use an individual Start button, the Start menu doesn't open every 5-10 click and gets stuck. If you then click again, it suddenly closes, although it was not visible at all, or nothing happens.

So the menu seams to be opened, but you don't see it.

The problem does not exist if you open the menu with the Windows key or use an individual Start button.

Details:

  • Windows 11 Version: 10.0.22621.290 (current 22H2)
  • Start11 Version: 1.25
  • Video recording of the problem 👉Video
  • Screenshot:
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Reply #14 July 20, 2022 9:52:26 AM
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Quoting xt46685,
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Right click menu for sound and network shows up on the right monitor now if you have dual screens and taskbar at the top, (YAY!) But I can't click on open volume mixer or sound and network settings at all. 

Hi xt,

Thank you for reporting this, I was able to repro as well. I have logged this bug with the development team.

Internal Ref: ODNT-4171

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Reply #15 July 20, 2022 10:28:15 AM
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Quoting Rainman74,
reply 10

Issue:

The app icon disappears on every UWP app, when you open these app on the extended toolbar or from the start menu. When closing the app again, the icon reappears (see video).

The problem is only with UWP apps, with regular Win32/64 apps everything is ok and the icons remain in place even in the open state.

Details:

Windows 11 Version: 10.0.22621.290 (current)
Start11 Version: 1.25
Video recording of the problem 👉Video
 

Hi Rainman,

I am unable to reproduce the issue on my end, but I want to confirm that I am using the same settings. When you say "extended toolbar" you are talking about having the taskbar button set to "Never"? Also do you have more than one monitor?

https://cdn.stardock.us/support/uploads/2022-07-20_10-25-12tpscroggins.mp4

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Reply #16 July 20, 2022 12:21:34 PM
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Quoting TPScroggins,
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When you say "extended toolbar" you are talking about having the taskbar button set to "Never"?

Yes, the problem occurs only when I do NOT select "always". I have set to "never" in my video.

Also do you have more than one monitor?

Yes, I have 2 monitors, but the 2nd one is just a headless HDMI adapter.

I use the current Windows 11 Preview Release Version 10.0.22621.290 (22H2) and the language German.

Full settings:

 
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Reply #17 July 20, 2022 1:57:34 PM
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Quoting Rainman74,
reply 13

Details:

Windows 11 Version: 10.0.22621.290 (current 22H2)

Quoting Rainman74,
reply 16

I use the current Windows 11 Preview Release Version 10.0.22621.290 (22H2) and the language German.

So it's not the general release then, correct?

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Reply #18 July 20, 2022 2:34:04 PM
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reply 17


Zitat Rainman74,
Antwort 13

Details:

Windows 11 Version: 10.0.22621.290 (aktuell 22H2)




Zitat Rainman74,
Antwort 16

Ich benutze die aktuelle Windows 11 Preview Release Version 10.0.22621.290 (22H2) und die Sprache Deutsch.



Es ist also nicht die allgemeine Freigabe dann, richtig?

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Yes, it is the version that will come officially in 2 months.

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Reply #19 July 20, 2022 4:02:30 PM
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Quoting Rainman74,
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Yes, it is the version that will come officially in 2 months.

We tried this on the current release and the insider build, both worked fine.

If you have Win11 pro, and you enable Windows Sandbox:

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/windows-sandbox

Install Start11 1.25 on it, does it still happen?

Note: You have a single activation for your Start11 license so doing this will prompt you to deactivate.  Go ahead and do so as you can reactivate on your main once the test is complete, forcing a deactivation of this test Sandbox.

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Reply #20 July 20, 2022 7:41:38 PM
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Quoting sdRohan,
reply 19
We tried this on the current release and the insider build, both worked fine.

If you have Win11 pro, and you enable Windows Sandbox:

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/windows-sandbox

Install Start11 1.25 on it, does it still happen?

Note: You have a single activation for your Start11 license so doing this will prompt you to deactivate.  Go ahead and do so as you can reactivate on your main once the test is complete, forcing a deactivation of this test Sandbox.

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In Sandbox it works!

 

Look -> https://youtu.be/khR-O0cb328

 

UPDATE: I found the problem! As soon as "Actual Window Guard" starts, the icon disappears! If I quit "Actual Window Guard", the icon comes back!

https://www.actualtools.com/windowguard/

UPDATE II: I was able to solve it by disabling the "default settings". Nothing was activated there, but AWG then seems to change something in general anyway.

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Reply #21 July 21, 2022 2:05:50 AM
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Installed Start11 1.25 yesterday.  My taskbar icons (aligned left as normal) are now squished really close together.  They didn't used to be.

Using Windows 11 Pro Build 22000.795.

I'd send a screen shot but I can't find how to add it to this post.

Any assistance appreciated (including how to revert to the previous version of Start 11).

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Reply #22 July 21, 2022 5:12:26 AM
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Quoting Rainman74,
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Issue:

If you don't use an individual Start button, the Start menu doesn't open every 5-10 click and gets stuck. If you then click again, it suddenly closes, although it was not visible at all, or nothing happens.
So the menu seams to be opened, but you don't see it.
The problem does not exist if you open the menu with the Windows key or use an individual Start button.

Details:

    • Windows 11 Version: 10.0.22621.290 (current 22H2)
    • Start11 Version: 1.25
    • Video recording of the problem 👉Video
    • Screenshot:
      Reduced 42%
      Original 1432 x 931

Quoting sdRohan,

This problem is also due to Actual Window Guard. Is there a way to make the default Win11 button also on the same way as the other Start11 buttons. Because in the individual Start Menu Button it goes correctly and the menu opens on every click. But there is missing the correct Win11 button and appearance as well as border.

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Reply #23 July 21, 2022 10:57:14 AM
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Issue:

I use different Brave Browser profiles and the icon is supposed to show the avatar of each profiles, but sometimes Start11 will do this:

Details:

  • Windows 11 version 21H2 build 22000.795
  • Start11 1.25
  • The issue appears at the taskbar when opening a different Brave Browser profile, as shown previously. 
  • The issue disappears when I change the Taskbar size at Start11 configuration and restart Explorer, but returns when I close Brave Browser profile and open it again.
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Reply #24 July 21, 2022 12:07:50 PM
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Quoting aamadorj,
reply 23

Issue:

I use different Brave Browser profiles and the icon is supposed to show the avatar of each profiles, but sometimes Start11 will do this:

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Original 792 x 108

Info: I use these profile images also with MS Edge and there it works without problems.

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Reply #25 July 21, 2022 12:13:51 PM
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Quoting Rainman74,
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UPDATE: I found the problem! As soon as "Actual Window Guard" starts, the icon disappears! If I quit "Actual Window Guard", the icon comes back!

https://www.actualtools.com/windowguard/

UPDATE II: I was able to solve it by disabling the "default settings". Nothing was activated there, but AWG then seems to change something in general anyway.


I am glad you were able to solve this. I'll keep a note about it for others that might come across the same issue

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