SANTA VS SATAN

Very interesting. also the letters are the same!

Why did you post it under humor?

Why did you post it under humor?

Well my son wrote it that way. It's a serious article written in a humorous way. I know many Christians who do not bring their kids up on Santa Claus. We did when they were little, but we also always reminded them about the true meaning of Christmas. It wasn't about Santa but about the birth of Christ.

Today, I'm afraid many do not know this.

"It's a serious article written in a humorous way."

I don't find it humorous, I find it sickening. A lot of people believe this kind of thing. I know of no one that "worships" Santa Claus, nor do I know of any attempts by the persona to 'gain our souls'.

I feel sorry for people who let empty religion so taint their minds that they become unable to think in any other way. If your son really meant this seriously, I would suggest psychiatric help, or maybe cult counseling/deprogramming. Little religious robots.

This isn't funny.  Not even slightly.  It's sad, and I feel sorry for you.

Yeah, Santa is after our souls.  He doesn't leave presents under the tree, he steals little kids souls.  Please. 

I had a self-imposed blacklist, and yours was the only blog on it.  I violated that by coming here - what you said was so outrageous that I simply couldn't let it go without making a comment.  However, the blacklist is back in effect now, and I think that's a very, very good thing.  You're more than welcome to come to my blog, though. 

over reactions why?

KFC - I will join you in the robotic and sad line - I found it an interesting read and I can understand what he is trying to say.

From a christian point of view he has a point it does detract from the real reason for christmas.

I do believe I agree with the anon Baker and Dharma have reacted a tad strongly to the article.

Perhaps putting it under humor was the mistake, I would have put it in religion or just blogging.

KFC - I will join you in the robotic and sad line - I found it an interesting read and I can understand what he is trying to say.

Thanks Jen, I expected various reactions exactly just like this. He already got similar strong responses when it was published.

I did put it under blogging but he wanted me to put it under humor because of the way in which he wrote it so I switched it.

Dharma always waits to reply strongly against me AFTER someone else does. I'm certainly not surprised by her answer, a bit surprised by Baker's tho.

Satan will do all he can do to take us away from Christ. It's his main job. He usurps to the nth degree. To steal what belongs to Christ. He's a thief and a deceiver. Isn't that what we are doing when we tell the children that SANTA is coming? Are we not deceiving them? I do know many that refuse to do this....and I say kudos to them. They are going against mainstream and usually that is a good thing.

However, the blacklist is back in effect now, and I think that's a very, very good thing. You're more than welcome to come to my blog, though.

Do you realize Dharma you like to hit and run here? I'm sorry you feel this way. I'm not sure why I'm welcome on your blog. It's clear you don't like me or what I have to say. So I try and do you the respectable thing and I stay away.

Let's not forget that Satan supposedly has a bunny suit, too. The problem is Christian fundamentalist zealots have a problem with any cultural phenomenon that doesn't promote their beliefs. Gosh, what about those awful Jews with their totally alternate holiday, satanically inspired to divert from Christmas, right KFC?

No wonder people want to purge fundamentalist influence from culture.

Gosh, what about those awful Jews with their totally alternate holiday, satanically inspired to divert from Christmas, right KFC?

I'm thinking you're referring to Hanukkah? Do you realize where that bit of history comes from? Trying googling Antiochus Epiphanes and 165-168 BC. There's nothing wrong with their celebration. It has nothing to do with usurping Christ. It's even mentioned in John 10:22.

Man made holidays are fine as long as they don't take us AWAY from God Baker. Anything that does so is considered an idol to a Christian. In this case, it would be Santa.

Man made holidays are fine as long as they don't take us AWAY from God Baker. Anything that does so is considered an idol to a Christian. In this case, it would be Santa.

I know you loathe the Catholic Church, but Saint Nicholas is the original source of Santa, not Satan. You know the one - he put a bag of gold through the window of a starving family/unmarried girl who needed a dowry. His generosity became mirrored in the process of present-giving and spread worldwide as the Catholic and Orthodox Churches did.

You can blame Coca-Cola for the red and white Santa; prior to their ad campaigns in the early 20th century Santa/St Nicholas was traditionally shown in other colours.

Yes, I know where Hannukah comes from. The point above is:

"Satan will do all he can do to take us away from Christ. It's his main job. He usurps to the nth degree. To steal what belongs to Christ. He's a thief and a deceiver."

I guess you draw the line with expressing your intolerance when it might be seen as intolerance of Jews. Intolerance is intolerance, though. If you are going to forgo condemning them for distracting from the supremacy of your beliefs, you might go a little further and grant the rest of us that courtesy.

Claiming that kids are worshiping Satan by enjoying the idea of Santa Claus at Christmas is no different than condemning other religions for diverting from what YOU believe the holiday is about. This is no different than the people you argue against who want to chance "Christmas" to "Holidays" in public. You paint Christians as wrong to divert from Christ during the Christmas season, why not be honest and extend that to Jews?

This is not a hard one Baker. Satan already has the Jews blinded to Christ. They do not worship him. So his job is done there. His job as I stated above is to usurp God's sovereignty by taking our focus off from Christ, whether it be Santa, the Easter Bunny or anything else.

Instead of cranking on me, just ask around. Ask the little kids in your neighborhood. Ask them questions about Santa, ask them questions about Jesus. See which one is more prominent in their eyes. Truth is in the pudding Baker. Test it.

You paint Christians as wrong to divert from Christ during the Christmas season, why not be honest and extend that to Jews?

First of all I didn't paint anybody WRONG. Everyone has to be persuaded in his own mind. I would be the last to dictate this on anyone. But I DO believe that Satan is behind the whole Santa Claus theme. It may have started out fine or it may have been a deception from Satan from the get go. Who knows? He does seem to take something good and twist it for his own glory doesn't he?

What we do know is Christmas is not about Jesus anymore. It's not about his birth but is all about materialism. Where do you think this is coming from? God?

I know you loathe the Catholic Church,

and how do you know this? I really want to know.

"This is not a hard one Baker. Satan already has the Jews blinded to Christ."

Bingo, lol, you're so easy.

"First of all I didn't paint anybody WRONG. Everyone has to be persuaded in his own mind. I would be the last to dictate this on anyone"

Wow, you heard it here, folks. KFC DOESN'T BELIEVE WORSHIPING SATAN IS WRONG!!!

No, you just said the practice of having Santa Claus in our holiday celebrations amounts to Satan worship. I wonder how you'd react if someone came in and picked apart some beloved memory of your childhood and called you a devil worshiper because of it.

"and how do you know this? I really want to know. "

Because you believe it is the Whore of Babylon? Come on. I don't like the Catholic Church either, and I'll speak up with a different perspective when people like Lulabelle try to portray it as the "one true church". You won't catch me offering the unsolicited critique that one of their saints is really Satan, though.

The one characteristic of your belief system is that you can't see what is wrong with the post above. You can't see how all year long you talk about how Christians are persecuted unfairly, and then come here and claim that other people worship Satan through Santa Claus. You mourn when people tread on things dear and beloved to you, but you're happy to come here and tell people that Santa Claus is Satan.

This is from KFC's son...aka: the author of the article above...

SANTA CLAUS IS THE ANTICHRIST.

There, I said it.

You can't see how all year long you talk about how Christians are persecuted unfairly, and then come here and claim that other people worship Satan through Santa Claus. You mourn when people tread on things dear and beloved to you, but you're happy to come here and tell people that Santa Claus is Satan.

This is ridiculous. Did I advocate stopping all Santa worship? Did I outlaw or even try the courts in this regard? Did I call for a boycott of Santa? Did I throw out Santa out of all public forums? Did I tell everyone to stop saying HO HO HO? No. It's not gonna happen either. This has nothing to do with reverse persecution Baker. It's just something to think about.

Because you believe it is the Whore of Babylon?

You like to say this frequently but you never back up your statement with any proof. Would you like to offer it now?

"SANTA CLAUS IS THE ANTICHRIST."

LMAO. If there ever is an Antichrist, I think he'd love you folks diverting attention from him by vilifying beloved childhood characters.

Anyway, doesn't your "inerrant" Bible say that the Antichrist and the Devil are two different entities? Which is it? Is Santa Claus the devil in a different outfit, or is he the Antichrist?

"John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."

I don't recall every hearing Santa Claus say that. Which Santa Claus do you think it is, the one in the mall near my house, or the one that visits the kids down in the shelter downtown and brings them presents? Is it our grandfathers when they dress up like Santa for the family? Is that a satanic ritual?

"2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."

That actually makes an Antichrist out of anyone that believes differently than you, huh? In the end you have very hateful, intolerant beliefs and you just can't bring yourself to admit them publicly.

"This is ridiculous. Did I advocate stopping all Santa worship? "

No, you just painted the whole phenomenon as devil worship. Silly me for being offended when I am branded a devil worshiper and promoter of the Antichrist. How could anyone not see the "humor" in that...

and how do you know this? I really want to know.

Well you've recently stated on a different thread that you think the Apocalypse is going to arise out of a new Roman empire based around the papacy and the EU. I just connected the dots. If I'm misrepresenting you forgive me, but I'm sure you can see how considering catholicism a vital part of Satan's plans could create loathing in a devout christian like yourself.

Comparing Satan to Santa...hmmm...isn't that a bit extreme?

No cacto. You don't understand. She paints Santa as Satan, and calls Santa's inclusion in Christmans satanic idolatry, but she doesn't MEAN that she's advocating stopping it. She obviously doesn't mind people worshiping Satan. She believes what you say, but she doesn't really MEAN that Catholics should reject the church.

So, we basically have someone who believes a lot of ugly things, states them openly, and then tries to back peddle when people get offended. Keep that candle under a bushel, or at least try and deny that it is a candle when people get their feelings hurt.

Very indicative of modern Christianity.

If there ever is an antichrist

that's it in a nutshell isn't it Baker. You don't believe there is one. Do you believe in Satan? Honest question. Some don't.

I'm not sure why all the scripture Baker. I'm quite sure you don't want me to throw any your way. But there are many antichrists in the world and we were told there would be up until the end time. But they all spoke of ONE antichrist that would deceive the masses in the end time. Satan we're told masquarades as an angel of light. Don't you think he can masquerade as Santa as well? And it's not a particular Santa we're talking about. It's the celebration of Santa as a whole. Is it physical presents that we are in need of or is it the presence of the Christ that came and for whom the real Christmas message belongs?

We're not picking on the nice people Baker. You as usual, are fixated on the physical. It goes much deeper than what you are seeing.

If I'm misrepresenting you forgive me

I forgive you....lol.

So, we basically have someone who believes a lot of ugly things, states them openly, and then tries to back peddle when people get offended

I don't back peddle Baker. I just don't believe that external forcing of anything works. I will defend what scripture states and I will be forthright about it. But I would never say one must do this or that or else. It's all built on their internal relationship they have with God.

She obviously doesn't mind people worshiping Satan. She believes what you say, but she doesn't really MEAN that Catholics should reject the church.

This is an outright lie Baker. I misread you. I thought you understood things. I know darn well I've expressed myself quite clearly on what I believe and not only that, but you have enough knowledge about fundamentalism to know better. But after reading a few blogs lately here and elsewhere I'm beginning to see you just like to argue for argue's sake.

You so remind me of Paul before his conversion. Have I ever told you that before?