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Let's talk ping

August 3, 2011 4:45:00 AM from Demigod ForumsDemigod Forums

Hi everybody. There's been people unsure about ping and conneciton. I often have a ping to USA up to 400 and to EU up to 500. I'm on cable, and have excellent speeds,forward ports etc...

Now I HAVE playes smooth games with 3v3 400 pings up to 480 pings. I've even played 2v2 with up to 500 with little worry.

The problem is if the person at the other end of the connection has a slow upload speed, or their net provider is booged down, I get blamed for the lag in some games.

 

People's thoughts?

Pacov I know u've played many games with me, any more technical info you can think of to support or deny my claim of smooth games up to 450 pings?

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Reply #1 August 3, 2011 5:14:14 AM
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I've played gamse with you Lukes. When your ping is 400, you lag.

But then you did something, cant rememeber that it was, and it lowered to 250 and no lag what so ever. Think it was a normal cata 3v3.

I am sure it's something in your system. Someone or something is using your bandwidth,

More then likely you (as way to many people) got tons of cookies who mess with your system.

Run a CCcleaner to take away all kinds of cookies AND programs it finds that does nothing then putting a silly litle addon to your browser...that takes maybe 1% of your bandwidth. (PER PROGRAM). I have helped people who had more shit addons on their browsers then any other software in the system.

 

Out of my head.

1. Check your ISP. If they say your connection to them is good (then its as good as Doggu is and he does not lag to me). When you call the ISP, Ask for TECH SUPPORT. The customer care will try to help you, but they will only say you are fine, cause it says in your contract that you have X bandwidth. They can not check your REAL line. A techie can.

2. Run system checks. Virus killers and cookie killers. When you play. TURN OFF the virus killer.

3. For reasons I still dont understand, everyone wants to play on wireless, blah. That is simply not good for games like this, EVEN if there  are alot of people who play wireless and have no problems, plug your lan in your system. (and dont share it with anyone in your household. ONLY your system)

4. No downloads when you play. Obvious no torrents and shit. But windows and other programs can have automatic things that you have no clue when you install them.

5. Very less likely but is how much of your Ram and CPU is used when you play? This makes you lag no matter how good ping you have. You can check this by checking the task manager while in a game (yourself) and see how much ram and CPU is used.

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Reply #2 August 3, 2011 5:20:49 AM
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No, he's just an Aussie As a rule of thumb, one 400+ ping is barely felt, two is painful, three is almost unplayable. We had that game featuring ppapanek, doggu and Quincrane (all 400+) a week or so ago, and the only reason I did not quit because of the lag was the quality gameplay that resulted in an even game.

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Reply #3 August 3, 2011 5:33:59 AM
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Yeah Quincrane lags to me too. But why doesn't Doggu do?

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Reply #4 August 3, 2011 6:40:36 AM
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Yes, and maulkin I check my speed prior to playing.... problems happen If in my local area a lot of people are online because we have only one provider in this shoddy country and the lines get choked.

I have also found they reduce the speed on my connection if I don't use in large amounts it for a while. This is the providers trying to thin the service to spread their resources. They'll never admit it, and maybe I'm a conspiracy theorist, but it takes a nasty "give me what I paid for" e-mail to the providers, and then next day I get return e-mail saying "we checked your service and found no errors", BUT then I get insane fast speeds again like magic.

 

If you're in Europe, then my connection runs from brisbane to sydney then transcontinental... to usa not much problem, to EU well as in1 said more than 1 in a 3v3 and there could be troubles.

So at times when all the kids in this city get home from school and start downloading their porn, speeds get sluggish. and after 9pm when their parents send them to bed, it gets better.

In that game I remember too, I made no change, and my gaming system is free of shit I know. I built it 2 months ago and full settings I get simspeed 10. No way is cpu or ram lagging I got speed there coming outta my arse.

Doggy is in sydney, and my latency to sydney is about 70ms, so to you my ping will be 70 more than dogga.

Quin is not in australia, I think maybe korea?

 

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Reply #5 August 3, 2011 6:57:58 AM
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Not sure why I'm helping here but anyway... I know it can be frustrating..

Quoting Running_Lukas,
reply 4
we have only one provider in this shoddy country and the lines get choked

I am sure you don't mean ISP or there is no hope for you. If you mean separate connections to NA there are many. If you are with someone dodgy like Telstra or Optus it ain't gonna help - they throttle the shit outta anything p2p. If you can get onto ADSL2+ try and get on an Agile port with someone like iinet or Internode. I have found this has better latency than cable and they actually make concessions for gamers such as specific ADSL line profiles that sacrafice line speed for latency on these ports.

If you are on ADSL this is how I got a better ping. I installed a central splitter for the ADSL which lowered pings by about 50ms (around $25 plus the cat5 cable you will need). FYI - Don't lift the Telstra grill if you dont know what you are doing - you will get arrested - just pay someone to do the final connection who is licensed. Again this wont help with cable. If you are on ADSL I can direct you to a whole forum of settings for better gaming.

Quoting Running_Lukas,
reply 4
They'll never admit it, and maybe I'm a conspiracy theorist, but it takes a nasty "give me what I paid for" e-mail to the providers, and then next day I get return e-mail saying "we checked your service and found no errors", BUT then I get insane fast speeds again like magic.

There are several ways to check your upload speed nationally before you worry about internationally - if you want help send me a message... The best bet is to /ping your ISP from the cmd prompt and see what the variation is over a 30 second period (ms latency). If it is a lot then you have a noisy line. From memory you are on cable - in your contract Optus (I think Optus from memory) has to guarantee a certain level of connection quality. If you check this and it is below they have to fix it. I suggest you refer to www.whirlpool.net.au for the best way to go about this. The guys there know their stuff.

Quoting Running_Lukas,
reply 4
Quin is not in australia, I think maybe korea?

Quin is based in Hong Kong according to the tracker. This may explain why he gets better connections to China-based players.

 

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Reply #6 August 3, 2011 9:36:26 PM
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rule of thumb

In a 3v3: ping up to 350 will always result in a playable game. Over that only possible if all participants have good connections and upload speeds from my experience.

In 2v2: I've seen it work beyond 450 but very seldom.

1v1: up to 500 I've seen it work, but not further.

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Reply #7 August 3, 2011 10:05:04 PM
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Yeah - upload bandwidth is and has often been the real kicker.  A person could join your lobby and have a reasonable ping, but still lag the game out due to insufficient upload bandwidth. 

I agree with the rule of thumb - ping up to 350 is generally quite playable.  Beyond that, it can get dicey.

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Reply #8 August 4, 2011 2:27:04 AM
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Doggu you nailed it: The ONLY connection available in my street is telstra/foxtel cable, or telstra dial up (NO ADSL). My bro has ADSL2+ through optus and gets better conncections than me sometimes, but then others mine is better than his.

In the end Telstra pretty much own almost everything and Optus don't want to come to our street to put in new lines (we have underground lines here).

My telstra phone line is split between two properties so broadband through phone lines is not possible either. Most of the time I get excellent connection, and at others the line get choked. fkn SNAP for me.

Having said all that, I have never ever had lag in a game except demigod. Sometimes I even get lag playing 1v1 against my bro and he is 5km away. Ping like 20. And our pc's are built for gaming so it's not that.

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Reply #9 August 4, 2011 3:53:10 AM
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Quoting Running_Lukas,
reply 8
Most of the time I get excellent connection, and at others the line get choked. fkn SNAP for me.

See I find this very strange for cable - it should not be limited. I reckon it's p2p throttling on the upload by the ISP - pricks.

As a test - if you use Bittorrent or something else (utorrent, azureus etc..) are your upload speeds really slow? I'm not suggesting you dl something illegal just any old file to test. Anything less that 100k per sec upload of a file is ridiculous for cable (equivalent to 1Mb/sec).

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Reply #10 August 4, 2011 8:39:32 AM
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Quoting doggu,
reply 9
As a test - if you use Bittorrent or something else (utorrent, azureus etc..) are your upload speeds really slow? I'm not suggesting you dl something illegal just any old file to test. Anything less that 100k per sec upload of a file is ridiculous for cable (equivalent to 1Mb/sec).

www.speedtest.net

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Reply #11 August 4, 2011 5:54:43 PM
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Quoting OMG_pacov,
reply 10
www.speedtest.net

?

That is for connection speed (via http I assume?). I am talking about p2p throttling - I know Optus and Telstra have done it in the past here. Would be worth checking before you start worrying about line faults.

Quoting Running_Lukas,
reply 8
Having said all that, I have never ever had lag in a game except demigod.

This sort of gives it away unless he is also playing other games that use p2p and has no problem.

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