new type of a* » Forum Post by Phirochu

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

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Quoting InfiniteVengeance,

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Write down his name. Never play with him again. Simple.

i concure

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pacov

Join Date 02/2008

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Quoting NeoVain,

reply 25

I just lost a little faith in the human race by reading this thread. Didnt you guys ever think of the fact that i may have been the ops own team mate that cause the high ping? its the most obvious reason since the lag stopped when he left?

It really isn’t that difficult to check someone’s ping when there is a lot of lag. I’d hope the OP checked that. In the game I described, the guy went from a 70-100ms ping… then says gg… then stays in game and bounces up and down around 1300ms.

If I’m thinking in the positive (eg he wasn’t deliberately doing this), he minimized the game then started eating up bandwidth on something else. After 20 minutes, he jumps back into the game and plays some more. Like I mentioned, I’ll do a quick test tonight with one of my friends and we’ll see if I can easily lag the game out. But of course, lots of possible explanations, but I am curious to see how easy it is to actually do this… hopefully not too easy.

I tend to agree with an auto kick feature if possible

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pacov

Join Date 02/2008

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Hey - I set up a game with my friend (me as host). 2 human v 2 ai. I played in windows mode. I ran speedtest (http://www.speedtest.net/) while playing to see the impact. He didn't really notice any lag during the download test. During the upload test, I pretty much choked the game out. We both stayed connected and the game became lag free once the test was over. It stands to reason that people using p2p or torrents could easily choke the upload bandwidth. What I found really interesting was that my upload bandwidth in speedtest came out to 1.09MB/s, but I tracked my max peak upload in netmeter as being 218.3KBs. Hmm.

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I'm curious...isn't this why we have friend lists? To play the game with pips that want to play, not just D-bags that want to douch for the sake of douchbaggin'! At the most, I can play 2v2 with my bandwidth which cab easily be filled with players on Friend list.

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I'm curious...isn't this why we have friend lists? To play the game with pips that want to play, not just D-bags that want to douch for the sake of douchbaggin'! At the most, I can play 2v2 with my bandwidth which cab easily be filled with players on Friend list.

All my friends have lives

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Actually that sounds about right for expected human behaviour. Also, when I read the title, I thought you were going to talk about a new implementation of the A* pathfinding algorithm.

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pacov

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Quoting _Casshern_,

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I'm curious...isn't this why we have friend lists? To play the game with pips that want to play, not just D-bags that want to douch for the sake of douchbaggin'! At the most, I can play 2v2 with my bandwidth which cab easily be filled with players on Friend list.

yeah, but that doesn't help with pantheon/skimish or even custom to some degree. I enjoy playing with my friends, but I also like playing against people at the same skill level as me or better, so I feel like I do have join variou customs, etc. I still just find the attitude of leaving a game after 3 minutes pretty surprising... kind of silly to me. Oh well... hopefully clans will help sort out the "I quit because I'm better than you" to some degree.

Also, frogboy did say that the friends list is going to be focus very soon, so hopefully we see something cool implemented.

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Quoting NeoVain,

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I just lost a little faith in the human race by reading this thread. Didnt you guys ever think of the fact that i may have been the ops own team mate that cause the high ping? its the most obvious reason since the lag stopped when he left?

you werent even in that game....

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i'll say it again it bares repeating.

I doubt it was done on purpose a lot of people get ping spikes(me if above 3v3) do to subpar netcoding/isp/gremlins

as 2 people quit out the connection that couldn't handle 6 can handle 4 and it smooth again.

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Quoting borichka,

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I wouldn't immediatly assume this was done intentionally by the other player. As others have stated this game requires a lot of bandwidth. He could have genuinely been spiking and when those players dropped it was enough of a reduction in bandwidth to reduce the spikes. It happens all the time.

Its not to hard to change the QoS setttings to drop your max upload to say 15kb or 50kb. When i play the game seems to use about 15KB up.

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People keep making the same counter argument of their connection not being able to handle more than a certain number of connections - fair point in a lot of cases. But that would cause lag from the moment the game started until those 2 players dropped. If it only starts to 'struggle' with that many connections 15 minutes in, different story.

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Could it be they just alt tabbed out and started doing something else while waiting for the game to end instead of just 'ragequitting'. Unfortunately alt-tabbing out of demigod will lag the game quite badly if anyone does it during a game.

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Not quite on topic, but is it possible to manually force a desyn error? Quite a few times when I was winning, the game would suddenly lag pretty badly for a bit and then we'd all keep getting desync errors.

I'd say it's random if it weren't for 2 things:

1. My team winning whenever it happens.

2. The person causing the desync saying something like 'gg' or other suspicious stuff right before the game lags / desync pops up (but never actually quitting).

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All my friends love to do the same things I like (hence Friends not acquaintance). If your friends have lives and don't like playing with you why keep them as friends. Online or Off, friends are friends. I probably gotten more help from online friends in different parts of the world than my college buddies...Sorry for the rant but I always get sensitive when justifying my online life!

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Quoting ViViDGear,

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Quite obvious that was intended. And it sounds like a viable tactic for jerks.

And sadly the internet and especially anything related to dota is full of them!

Geez, by reading the forums you'd think there was never such thing as an asshole before dota came around. Spiking your ping is a trick that can be used in a variety of shooters, Diablo II, and a number of other games, though, and thus you can expect a bit of it in Demigod. However, whether or not this was intentional doesn't change the fact that there needs to be a vote to kick button, imho.

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I thought this thread was going to be about pathfinding...

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Quoting Jinx,

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I thought this thread was going to be about pathfinding...

Me too. We're nerds.

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Geez, by reading the forums you'd think there was never such thing as an asshole before dota came around

Hey I played Dota for years and still play it since I love it.

Sure they didn't invent assholism

But to be honest: I never have seen such a crowd of assholes in any community than in dota. But there are competitors for that: politics & and 4chan

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Don't start knocking 4chan, tis an awesome sight:P

I never played Dota, and haven't come across this sort of trick before in an RTS. If someone does it in a shooter then they suffer more than everyone else because whilst everything lags for this person, everyone else can still shoot everyone else.

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Saw it happen the other day, a guy on the losing team said lol and started fluctiating between 500 and 2500 ping. But the idiot failed to inform his teammate, so his teammate left

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lol nice regi gotta love the internet sometimes

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I just meet one of that "new type of a*".

And he didn't stop after 2 minutes and left, no, he just kept downloading and f*** us (and his teamates too) (you can check the timer)

http://tof.canardpc.com/show/ff244d92-65b6-477e-a300-1dee1274b331.html

http://tof.canardpc.com/show/3f58f478-4603-441d-810e-0bed9cb02904.html

I don't know if Stardock can do something about it, like a ban, but I hope that if you see him in one of your game, kick him. It's all he deserve.
His name : GnomeChomp.
http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/player/20897

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pacov

Join Date 02/2008

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Hey - actual evidence of an asshole being an asshole. Thanks for the post! Agreed. It is incredibly easy to do. Sadly, the best any of us could do at this point would be to boot from a custom or do the same lousy crap to him (which I wouldn't advise as he apparently decided to do the same thing when he felt like he was playing with a "cheater.")

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