I' not really sure, seeing so far, that there are neutral forests.

And, I don't really think I care either.

It doesn't' seem to fit Demigods story to have them. And to me, it doesn't seem like it's leaving anything out as there will be more objectives and more maps than DotA has and stuff.

Sadly, i doubt it.
Looking at the Gamesradar hands on, it's stated that:
'I nearly killed him the next time we battled, but before I could, he used the natural demigod gateway ability to warp back to his castle and keep himself alive'

This seems to show that the chase will be unnecessary as the enemy can just teleport back to their base. I do hope they limit the amount of times you can do that though..

Yeah it seems more like an "Ohh Shit!" ability, but they probably have things to buy with teleport. But i'm hoping it also has a suitably decent cool down.

If they had that then you could teleport in somewhere, wreck some face and then press your Ohh shit run button.(ala lvl 6 Archmage with TP in WC3)

that would be pointless - if you're not getting your ass kicked you don't need to teleport back to base

Dota had the teleport function and it worked great. (scrolls + some hero abilities)
Its interuptable, and it isn't instant. Very balancable

Blink (short range instant teleport) is a nice skill in DOTA. Unfortunately its seen as too IMBA and has been limited to just a few heroes (magina, akasha). Blink strike (must target a unit within range) is much more limited and thus easier balanced.

Instant teleport to base would be like a 1-way unlimited range blink. IMBA. Casting time, interruptable, and cooldown should balance it though.

Agreed, Demigod is not DOTA, but its a good place to start.

If the mechanics were copied straight from DOTA, then the result would be very similar if not the same. We all know that that won't be the case. As it is, we know very little about the game mechanics, specifically teleporting, so the entire thread is speculation.

With that said, I look to DOTA for examples of tried and tested teleporting balance. Over the course of several years, teleporting to DOTA has evolved into the cast time/interruptable/cooldown form that it currently is in. Sure, Demigod could start with something different (instant teleport to save your bacon), but unless other elements foreign to DOTA (and unknown currently to us) are introduced, it will likely wander back to the DOTA form.

I'm all for new, but speculation can only take us so far.

Ever heard of rootfellens aoe root? or siren's aoe sleep? both ult's I'll grant you but what about lina's aoe stun, thats a basic ability. And most of these do damage, Ice doesn't do damage, just freezes them. I don't know where you get this over the top thing or the op in dota thing, and give me a weak sauce ability in DotA... I (or one of my many friends who are many times better than me) will give you plenty of ways to use it effectively.

And the whole thing about relation to other abilities, dosn't work, as no ones gunna play a game with a 30 second aoe stun even if they a one minute 1 hit stun. The stunning principle for example (disabling your opponents maneuverability and combat ability) is kinda global in it's application.

But the effects can be off the wall, for all I care.


Oh and on topic, I whole heartedly support the chase, one of my favorite things to watch greedy players chasing me, and on the point of the teleport, who doesn't use it when your at 5 health? run into some trees and poof!

Much smaller aoe? How can you quantify that? From what I can tell it has a decent aoe about the size of a small skirmish of minatours enough to hit evrey unit in the skirmish, and rootfelleons aoe is just that size (actually a bit bigger) lasts for 6 seconds, and does damage.

Also how long do you expect it would last? 10 seconds? 20 seconds? 30 seconds? Am I supposed to go get a cup of coffee while I wait? you can only freeze some one for so long, players will only take having 0 input in a game for so long before it's ridiculous.

I'm saying how could you know the size from a screen shot.

Any ways so what if a lot of them are imba? be imba back, have your own deadly spell, get some sort of protection, or the second you get through the spell eat them with your dps. Its a decently balanced game considering (most of the game mechanics are forced upon the developers).

Totally agreed, and additionally, there's always a way to balance thing out. As innociv said in UT3 they balance thing out with other powerful things. For DOTA and Guildwars they balanced out by lower the power(interruptible, long casting, long cool down, lower damage, reduce range, etc.). Maybe Demigod can approach new idea of balancing out by lower death penalty which make killing people just 3-4 times don't mean a thing. Or totally take out dead penalty and make the respawn time kind of short, like in Team Fortress 2 or other FPS multiplayer shooter games. In this way it's easy to die, easy to kill, easy for new players to get a kill. I saw many ppl got discourage in Dota since they only die from pro players and cannot get any kills back.

But yeah as i said take out dead penalty doesn't mean when you get a kill you don't have any rewards, maybe you got money or something but don't make it too big so that make dying just 3-4 times don't make huge impact on the match. Another idea is to make different modes so that make thing more hardcore, high death penalty, longer respawn time and higher rewards from kills. This would make the game more suitable for every level of players.

no edit.. grr..

I wanted to continue to say to like look at DotA with it's easymode(-em).  It gives more gold, towers are weaker, your level up faster.  But it doesn't make the game faster.. it just makes it easier for one person to outlevel people faster and make people drop behind more when they die, so one person can dominate easier.

It doesn't make the games end any faster.. it just makes it dumb IMO.

 

TF2 doesn't have have an "easy mode" option for pub play and normal for clan matches, it just plays right both ways with how it is.  Same should be with Demigod.

 

Don't get me wrong, I like options, but it's bad when you join a game and it plays totally different than normal because the host got to make the respawn twice as long, and gold rewards 10x higher, and make twice as many creep spawns, and there isn't really any standard, etc etc etc.