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AI Difficulties

December 14, 2009 4:49:39 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire ForumsSins of a Solar Empire Forums

I am wondering if the AI will now start building more Capitalships per fleet besides the old way where they would only have 2 Caps per fleet.  Will the newer AI be fixed so that the AI will now start building 4 or 5 Capships per fleet?  Here you have 5 differant types of Capships but the AI will only spam the same 2 almost everytime.  Im hoping that you guys will fix this and allow the AI to utilize all of tis Capitalships like they should be.

And by the way, what are the differances the 2 new difficulties add?  Can we get a little info on what they do differantly now?

Thanks!

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Reply #1 December 14, 2009 5:55:49 PM
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I don't know wat you're talking about for Cap ships.  I played a game recently with Vasari that they built 2 Kortuls, a Skirantra, and a Marauder before i got my ass handed to me.  (Kortul is a death sentence if you don't have the upper hand from the start.)

I think the AI builds the 2 types of caps as a standard rule, and builds what it thinks it needs later.  If it's building the same 2 for you, then you have become predictable and it builds more of what it thinks it needs, and believes it is working.

Just my opinion, as i don't know much about the AI's inner workings.

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Reply #2 December 14, 2009 6:51:57 PM
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Ive only seen them build 2 per fleet. most of the time it two differant fleets that show up when you see more then 2 Capships.  What dificulty d oyou play at? im on the hardest settings.  this is Entrenchment now, i havent put a lot of time into the new Addon Beta.  Which is why Im asking what the differances are with the 2 new higher difficulties.

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Reply #3 December 14, 2009 7:46:41 PM
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I haven't played the beta.  I'm on the latest version of entrenchment, and that was on hard vs an Advent and a Vasari.  Advent was crushed mecilessly, and Vasari kept trying to take my...it was Ice or Desert, not sure which...but they also kept leaving when they bombed, and i reclaimed it.  Then i built a SB, and the Kortuls came back with their fleet and raped me...hard.  There were 2 Kortuls, and a Skirantra as part of their primary fleet as far as i could tell, and the Marauder seemed to be just a...roamer...coming and going as it pleasd.

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Reply #4 December 15, 2009 2:29:59 AM
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How many opponants have you been playing against? I believe, unless it's just a co-incidence that with the "diplomacy"  AI opponants that become alied co-ordinate their attacks alot better. Many times I have had battles when I've had 2 large fleets attack symultainuslly from different opponants, each fleet containing 2 and 3 caps.

I agree alot of the time 1 opponant that attacks, usually only has a couple of caps, not allways though. I have had an opponant attack 1 of my worlds with 5 caps and what must have been close to 10 to 15 ships of every other type. And once again perhaps it's just a co-incidence, but I'm sure it waited until I had my hands full with a pirate raid before attacking.

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Reply #5 December 15, 2009 10:18:02 AM
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Personally I'd love to see the AI build more caps. Even in default sins them build 3-5 / 16 is pathetic. By the time you get to the end of a game and have 16 caps with a huge fleet to back it up they dont even stand a chance hell the other day on distant stars this happened:

I was the blue fleet against both of those and won, yes im using Distant Stars but the point still stands. The AI NEED more capital ships to hold their own against late game fleets!

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Reply #6 December 15, 2009 3:46:19 PM
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When we play its mostly LAN games and its usually 3 of us against 4 to 5 AI on the hardest setting.  And most of the times its one enemy fleet with usually 2 sometimes 3 caps in the fleet. but I have never seen them come with more than that unless its like you said a corrdinated attack with the other 3 AI attacking one system at the same time.

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Reply #7 December 15, 2009 3:57:13 PM
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To be honest, AI are kinda dumb with Capital Ships anyways. They might do better with only a few caps and a large fleet than they do with a lot of caps and a small fleet.

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Reply #8 December 15, 2009 4:26:59 PM
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Nacey:  Why are your Capitols spread out over your empire tree in the middle of frigates?  They are always at the top of the list by default.  Also, does the distant stars map allow for extra caps, because i counted 17 in your fleet.  Or were you playing with large fleets?

Wait.  I see the word Allied Reinforcements at the corner.  Didn't you say it was you against 2 AI?

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Reply #9 December 15, 2009 5:20:45 PM
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Quoting CallenExile,
reply 8
Nacey:  Why are your Capitols spread out over your empire tree in the middle of frigates?  They are always at the top of the list by default.  Also, does the distant stars map allow for extra caps, because i counted 17 in your fleet.  Or were you playing with large fleets?

Wait.  I see the word Allied Reinforcements at the corner.  Didn't you say it was you against 2 AI?

 -Exile

I'm not entirely sure its a weird bug that im not sure how to fix, no idea what causes it. The distant stars mod allows for double fleet & capital ships on Large fleet settings hence the extra ships. The reinforcements its mentioning is in the Koronis system where the Pirates were attacking one of my starbases

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Reply #10 December 15, 2009 5:27:31 PM
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Hmm...everything but the reinforcements makes sence...but when it says allied reinforcements doesn't it mean other players?  Otherwise it says our forces have arrived, or something along those lines.  I'm not saying you're lying, it just doesn't quite make sense to me.  Someone please correct me if i'm wrong.

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Reply #11 December 15, 2009 5:46:32 PM
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Quoting CallenExile,
reply 10
Hmm...everything but the reinforcements makes sence...but when it says allied reinforcements doesn't it mean other players?  Otherwise it says our forces have arrived, or something along those lines.  I'm not saying you're lying, it just doesn't quite make sense to me.  Someone please correct me if i'm wrong.

 -Exile

If you re-read the reinforcements message it mentions they've arrived at the Koronis planet. If you look to the left of the screen you can then see the Asteroid Belt Koronis being under attack by the Pirates and my two extra capital ships that had just jumped in to the system to help reinforce it on the way to the front line battle pictured.

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Reply #12 December 15, 2009 5:48:38 PM
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Ya, i saw that.  I'm just confused why it says allied reinforcements and not our forces, as i believe it does when it is your ships.  Again, i may be wrong here.

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