Been sitting the side line lately on this topic, mostly because this is beta 1.  Going to wait till Beta 2 comes out before passing any judgement.

Recipes are a good way of making an item that is useul early game stay useful later on, they are not simply a wat of incerasing the gap between new and old players. Recipes only become a matter of memory at higher levels of play, in low levels of play it is not frowned apon to spend a minute or so deciding ur items.

Denying is one thing that would not carry over well any more, it would have been an early decision whether to include denying or not. At the early stages of development if denying had been included then the problems your suggesting wouldnt apply. Denying allows the early game to take more skill and allows players who can micro well to take advantage of that skill.

And yer i agree this is just the beta and im not trying to make a judgement on the game, these are just some initial observations.

+1 to upgrades over recipies.

I like the low bounty and how winning the game matters more than farming players.

Plus there is no "OMFG FEEDER GET OUT BANNED" stuff, since you can't really feed when it's just 100 gold.

Recepies are only good imo, but if they are used for a small group of items, usually game enders, this allows people to have to get certain items instead of just gold, and it just seems right in context, to make a god-like item, you dont buy it, you make it... but thats like only 2-4 items like that, and if someone messes up and bys the recepie only, let it still give them a small boost of what ever it offers, untill the other parts are gotten...

in items in general, we need more variety, seems most give you energy and energy regen, as well as some seem to be just the same, with different stats given... but this is BETA 1

Denying was actually an unintended side effect of the WC3 game itself, once people realized it actually took away XP, everyone did it till it was accepted in DotA itself, thus its not really a strat, but just a way for people who know what their doing to do better. That being said, to allow denying (kast hitting is a given) is just insane, you hav to keep track of a **** ton of HP, from yours, your creeps theirs, their creeps, aand you gotta constantly be looking at HP bars at all times, thats way to much Micro for a game based on strategy

larger maps have more lanes, so we need to see on that point...

bounties should be allowed I say, it gives you a reason more then just taking them outta the game, imo the most gold is gotten by gold ticks, not kills, it should be the other way around, in my humble opinion

not getting to play sounds like a bigger disadvantage than naything else..

Upgrades pretty much replace recipies.  There are no "low heirarchy" items because they can all be upgraded.  It's basically like having seperate weapon, armor, and item sellers in rpgs.  Why the hell do you have to run around to all these different people, when one guy could have it all and be done with it?  Why do I have to run around buying items that I don't even want just to get one I do want, when I could just upgrade one single item.

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You missed hte point.

I was saying putting an enemy out of the game for a while is a much bigger bonus than getting gold for killing them.

We don't need feeding problems like DotA has.  Or snowball effects.

Simply enstate a variable bounty. The more kills someone gets in a row (or even just during the whole game) the more their bounty is worth. Hell it could be 100 + 100(or 200?) per enemy killed - 100 per times died with a minimum of 100. That way players who die a lot and don't get kills are only worth 100, and players who run in to get tons of kills are worth a lot when they die, but less and less if they keep getting killed.

Also has the effect of making the worst players get picked on less, giving them a chance to catch up.

As i said : Bounty should be  X*Lvl of the victim. X could be something between 15-25. And imo it should be splitted to everyone who stands around the victim. This is not necessary for high lvl play, but it encourages teamplay on casusal level - a big flaw in dota.

So long, Aspartem

I prefer bounty scaling by player skill than by player level. A fearsome opponent who is decimating your team should be worth more than his buddy who's the same level but has trouble finding the movement keys.

you can only buy one of the same item.  Only 1 -25% cooldown helm.