rofl at modded out of the game. lmfao. grow a pair.

How a Genius Defeats Sins



Who only brings one type of unit to a battle? Gets good advice from experienced players. Blows it all off.



Six days later still owned. More good advice falls on deaf ears.



Ten days later. Is convinced its the DEVS fault, insults fly.



Now sure that the game is cheating, a fiendish plan begins to come together.



A plan develops, he calls for help... reads and figures it out for himself!!! He is not an idiot just stubborn.



He has all the tools he needs now to kick this games butt. To his credit he figued out how to do it without having to have his distress calls answered.



Victory, the subverters have been subverted. Balance has been restored. He should have been a DEV he would have had all the units but cruisers deleted by now. Who's the Genius Now!!! Darth Vader of course.

Hey Anne,

Take the peoples advice and build a diverse fleet. If you can't win without cheating, what's the point in playing?

in addition to everyone else's comments, i also seem to notice that your force is outnumbered 2-1... (maybe even 3-1?)

This is one reason why I mod.

But its also tactics. And fleet design.

Instead of 50 heavy cruisers, I use 20 HC, 20 light carriers and 20 flaks and 20 LRM's. Or if you want to limit it to 50 ships, then 10 HC's, 20 carriers, 10 flaks and 10lrms.

If nothing else, the fighters and bombers will pick off the offending ships for you while the rest are immobilised.

But modding wise, I boosted the range and firepower of the HC. I basically made it lethal ! You pay for this by pirates being more of a threat, but if you have done your research, you have a fast hit hard ship that can take down frigates and cruisers before they have time to regenerate their antimatter supply. They are still vulnerable to squadrons though, hence putting flaks with them.

I found the same problem the first time I attacked a Vasari block point. The Nanojammer neutered my fleet and I got hammered while not being able to do any real damage. So you recon first, identify where the nanojammer is, and you aim your fleet to jump in where you are able to run straight at it and target the entire fleet to taking this out before anything else, even if it costs you ships to do it. Fairs fair though, 3 repair towers saved me from the same sort of attack, by keeping my capital ships alive even though I was outnumbered badly.

My advise in the OP's situation is retreat, restructure your fleet, and then hit them again. 20 squadrons makes a lot of difference on the battlefield 100 makes more !

Edit : Oops, missed page 2 before posting ! I dont agree with taking a ship out of the game. It changes the nature/character of a race. But I do agree the ship could use some modding to make it less effective. However, my approach is to make the ships I have got more effective And while I hate the word "balance" and really hate games that force you to build diverse fleets to cover all the bases (Homeworld drove me nuts !), Sins is the first one that building those fleets really makes sense to me and actually works. So I adopted it fairly rapidly.

I believe this could very well be a id-10T error. I have never seen so many ships clumped up together. Perhaps simply selecting 5 ships to attack one ship, then do the same with the rest of your fleet. Not autopilot, but the game is designed for SOME user input.

Poor guy - I feel sorry for you. You're really getting beaten to death here. I think the bottom line is that the loose formation doesn't work very well. All other things aside, I think we can agree on that point and at least leave him with some dignity

Annekynn, it's very obvious the problem isn't with the game, but with you. No one else seems to be having this issue. If it was a game breaking balance issue, then more people would complain. However, they aren't.

The problem lies within your "tactical" short comings. Once you understand this, you'll be able to get over it.

Well thats great and wonderful. If everyone thinks 1 ship should be able to disable a whole fleet then by all means, I am wrong and youre all right. Problem solved!

The ship is only doing what it was designed to do: Make your life difficult.
YOU have to find a way to make ITS life difficult.

In other words:

War ain't fair.
Never give up or back down in a fight.
And if you somehow get beat into pulp, try and try again.

History will continue to repeat its self (so will a lot of folks here) till the mistakes are all corrected.

EDIT- Sorry 'bout the double post folks.

You're flat out wrong. You were given advice, you didn't act on the advie, and you still act like you know everything.
You were told to use carriers, because Subverters can't disable strikecraft. You ignored this advice completely.
You were told to use capitals, because Subverters can't disable capitals. You ignored this advice completely.
You were told to use better micro. To spread out your fleets manually, to select targets for small groups of ships. You said it was tedious.
You were told to use LRMs to snipe out Subverters. You said it was tedious and ineffective.
You were told to use Light Frigates to disable Subverter abilities. You said it was impossible to accomplish.

If a single subverter is able to throw such a large wrench into your giant warmachine, then your giant warmachine needs some serious rethinking.

Guys got a point.
But, the enemy did what you did in a way by using on type of ship in large amounts.

TEC HC have large amounts of auto cannon firepower but a small engagement range and field of combat. Someone could have a problem when fighting large amounts of HC so they would naturally use a tactic that would the disable the HC and make them useless ala maybe using Subverter's?

I have to say that I loved the wrench and war machine analogy. Funny stuff that cna hit home lol.