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Internet trolls, a study

By on March 1, 2012 8:47:59 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

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Am I the only one who has wished they could press a button when reading some trolling comment and summon the troll to their presence?

Not to punch them in the nose or anything but for study. What kind of person is a troll?

My personal favorite troll that I encounter is the entitled gamer. Are they an adult? Do they have a family? Do they literally live under a bridge?

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March 2, 2012 8:17:56 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I think the term 'Internet Troll' has split into two distinct definitions:

1) The original meaning, and the one Frogboy is most likely referring to, which is based on the story of the troll living under the bridge, jumping out and causing problems to people minding their own business.  These are the folks that complain because that's just what they do.  They're angry, and they intend to take it out on the Internet.

2) The joke troll, that often uses subterfuge to poke fun.  The Rick-roll, for instance.  Also, http://artoftrolling.memebase.com/.

 

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March 2, 2012 9:29:15 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Pretty cool link. Lots of good stuff there.

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March 2, 2012 9:35:19 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Uvah,
Pretty cool link. Lots of good stuff there.

My favorites are the ones that try to troll the Mormon chats about magnets and the like, but get trolled back instead.  Love a good reversal.  

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March 2, 2012 12:19:19 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Wasn't Direct2Drive the service where they would only let you install a game a couple of times anyways? I think I bought SotS:Born of Blood from them and when I realized they'd only let me install it a couple times I never bought anything else from them.

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March 2, 2012 12:33:06 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

I didn't click on that link in case it was a Rick-roll...

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March 2, 2012 12:44:13 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I would like to dissect one. I am very curious about their internal structure. 

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March 2, 2012 12:52:21 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Fuzzy Logic,
I didn't click on that link in case it was a Rick-roll...

Now I wish I had thought to do that...

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March 2, 2012 3:26:32 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Quoting jackswift85,
Wasn't Direct2Drive the service where they would only let you install a game a couple of times anyways? I think I bought SotS:Born of Blood from them and when I realized they'd only let me install it a couple times I never bought anything else from them.

Nope.  They used to have a 5 activation limit, but it was easily reset by talking to customer service.

What I personally hated was how many of their products used a huge setup file which Vista/7/8 had to verify with consent.exe which took forever.  So once Gamefly gets my stuff added their service will be a lot less annoying.

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March 2, 2012 8:43:55 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

The real trolls are those in real life and have integrated it into their day job. 

 

For example, certain very popular talk show hosts or as I call them political entertainers, have mastered the art of trolling usually in the form of hidden Ad hominem attacks.

 

I'd like to do a study myself to see the correlation between trolls and people who are entertained by others getting trolled over the airwaves.

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March 2, 2012 9:17:18 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

If you really want to see a professional troll technique IRL that is actually used in business then I suggest you see the (new) Delphi technique.  No not the one listed in wikipedia, that's the old legit Delphi method.  The new one is a very clever form of trolling manipulation to get the illusion of consensus from a group but in fact all it does is some community sleight of hand.

 

I'm showing you this so you can more easily identify this specific standard trolling IRL technique, not to be used for malicious purposes.

DON'T BE EVIL

 

Best song for this video btw:

 

And here is the actual technique itself being used by special interests on a small community township:

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March 2, 2012 10:23:00 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

That's not trolling....thats manipulation.

Anyone who deals with councils on a regular basis [me] knows it all too well....

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March 2, 2012 10:41:37 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Jafo,

Remember...you can always buy a car...but its purchase does not also buy you the right to drive it.

 

No ... instead you also have to buy driving lessons, and then you buy a drivers license, and then you have to buy car insurance ... and THEN you have bought enough stuff to drive a car.

 

Quoting Frogboy,
I don't think fistalis is being entitled here.

I agree. I think there is a difference between being truly 'entitled' and merely wanting to retain access to a purchased product.

 

Quoting Jafo,
Fistalis...I think you have just exemplified 'entitled'.

I believe this was a bit harsh. I don't think he was claiming to own the IP for any of his games, merely being irate at the inaccessability of such games.

 

 

-> My definition of an entitled gamer is someone that clearly has a god complex, and feels that just because he fancied to pirate game X for a few days, he should be lord and master of all things game X related.

Someone who puts no effort into the actual production of a game, but instead feels that the game must suit his every need or be banished to the farthest reaches of hell.

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March 3, 2012 2:42:26 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Tasunke,
No ... instead you also have to buy driving lessons, and then you buy a drivers license, and then you have to buy car insurance ... and THEN you have bought enough stuff to drive a car.

Wrong again....you cannot 'buy' the privilege to drive a car...you can only apply for/pass an 'acceptance' exam it's a test not a foregone conclusion....

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March 3, 2012 8:41:28 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I think, at least in some states, you don't need to pay for the license until you pass ...

but paying for the written portion is a different story.

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March 3, 2012 11:48:52 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I reject this whole "driving is not a right it's a privilege" baloney.   Yes, it's a right.  The Declaration of Independence America was founded on says that humans are endowed certain inalienable rights by their Creator:   Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.   The right to drive is liberty.   Making it a privilege the government gives us permission to do goes against the precepts America was founded on.

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March 3, 2012 12:12:09 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

If driving is a right might as well make flying a right as well ... At least you will always have Bicycles and Horses

 

As for the analogy, I don't think it works. For the analogy to work, I think the car manufacturer should be able to recall the Car once its been bought or once its gone bankrupt.

After the Car is recalled, those with new ownership get to decide if they will give you your car back, although they probably wont, and will ask you to buy another car (or rebuy the same care even).

That would be a more appropriate analogy.

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March 3, 2012 12:54:33 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Yep, flying is the same right, and always has been.  Being able to drive and fly is what liberty is all about.   Having to get the government's permission to travel wherever you want, whenver you want is precisely what we have always hated about the Soviets.

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March 3, 2012 1:16:21 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

The car analogy may work, but with some specifics:

When I buy a game, my system needs to meet the minimum requirements to be able to play it.  If it doesn't, then, while I may complain, the supplier has no responsibility to come upgrade my system so that I can play.  This equates to meeting the requirements to drive (a drivers license, insurance, etc.), but not necessarily to buy the car in the first place.

To me the following would be a better example of digital distribution brought to the automotive world.  Let's say that I bought my car from Dealership A.  Every time I drive my car the anti-theft device connects to this dealership to verify that I am the legitimate owner before I can turn the key.  A year later, Dealership B buys Dealership A and suddenly my car is not able to connect to this system and won't start.  I still meet all of the 'Minimum Requirements", but my anti-theft system denies me access to driving my car until either Dealership B makes my information available as before, changes my anti-theft system so that it will now contact Dealership B, or replaces the component in my car that handles the anti-theft system. I guess I could take my car to the "mechanic" that claims he can "fix" this, but then I take the risk that my engine may die at any time. 

Now, to be more on topic.  When I personally think of someone "trolling" it is a person who is posting just to get a response.  They don't post their actual beliefs or feelings, their posts are only meant to illicit an emotional response from the OP or group as a whole.  It is a very intentional process.  The "entitled" gamer is not really a troll, they are even more annoying! They actually believe what they post and will argue it until the end.  Sometimes it is hard to tell the two apart, I realize,

 

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March 3, 2012 1:25:12 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Niac,
The car analogy may work, but with some specifics:

When I buy a game, my system needs to meet the minimum requirements to be able to play it.  If it doesn't, then, while I may complain, the supplier has no responsibility to come upgrade my system so that I can play.  This equates to meeting the requirements to drive (a drivers license, insurance, etc.), but not necessarily to buy the car in the first place.

To me the following would be a better example of digital distribution brought to the automotive world.  Let's say that I bought my car from Dealership A.  Every time I drive my car the anti-theft device connects to this dealership to verify that I am the legitimate owner before I can turn the key.  A year later, Dealership B buys Dealership A and suddenly my car is not able to connect to this system and won't start.  I still meet all of the 'Minimum Requirements", but my anti-theft system denies me access to driving my car until either Dealership B makes my information available as before, changes my anti-theft system so that it will now contact Dealership B, or replaces the component in my car that handles the anti-theft system. I guess I could take my car to the "mechanic" that claims he can "fix" this, but then I take the risk that my engine may die at any time. 
 

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March 3, 2012 1:57:03 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Quoting tetleytea,
Yep, flying is the same right, and always has been.  Being able to drive and fly is what liberty is all about.   Having to get the government's permission to travel wherever you want, whenver you want is precisely what we have always hated about the Soviets.

 

Posts like yours are the reason I said in my first post it's not so much about 'entitled gamers' as it is about 'entitled society' at this point.  All I know is as a canadian my rights are actually limited and very specific; my priviledges however are plentiful and very appreciated.  The humble (non-entitled) attitude of the individual who is part of a nation comes across as the nation's attitude on the world stage.  Personally I'd rather be seen as humble than entitled anyday! 

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March 3, 2012 2:22:28 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Specifically, I mentioned 'flying' as the ability to PILOT one of those large flying machines, by right of birth.

Cars and Planes are moving death machines, and operating such vehicles by 'right' is an absurd notion.

 

It would certainly be cool if the ability to fly on a plane, emigrate, and immigrate were rights though

-> and hopefully those three things will remain a privilege far into the future

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