we talking about rook towers? if so yes. i agree.

If were talking about base towers, you need to invest into the defence/hp upgrades. but they expensive

Urgent Balancing i think not & i doubt some of the skills even need to be alter they are fine as it is don't fix what is not broken. If you have trouble facing against some demigod maybe you should look at different strategy instead of calling in the nerf bat.

Whats yours, or which game i played with you?

Do not buff Rook's towers, that's crazy.

@Wingsys0

Yeah, its usually best not to fix what isn't broken, unfortunately 3 of the demigods are a little broken. Currently Erebus has about a 57% win percentage, as in, he has won 57% of his games. Unclean beast isn't far behind with like 56%. Sedna has like 55%. 

On the other hand both Torchbearer and Rook have about 48%.  So, it wouldn't be a big deal if it was like a 3-4% difference, but this is a 7-9% difference in win percentages, which makes it pretty obvious that some of the demigods are more powerful than others.

So I don't know if the *exact* fixes in this post need to be done, but something does need to be changed.

UB is close combat. So why is spit ranged. They should just remove the range... Often you try to run away from Ub, then u get little distance and bam he uses spit and u get killed over time

Yes and that is your problem right there, he is a close combat killing machine. Don't go into him, because if you try to run at low health you will get a SPIT on you and likely die.

If you have the appropriate counters then spit is no problem. Play as Sedna, she counters UB so badly.

The problem with UB as I see it, is that he is easy to play, people can play well with him at lower skill levels. Other DGs are not so easy to play.

UB is not an auto win button. He looks powerful because one n00b picks him and another n00b picks TB.

TB n00b runs into melee, gets spit on once and then melee'd to third health, then tries to run and takes the second spit hit and dies.

A good TB wouldn't do that, he stays back, he takes a spit shot but stays out the way, the spit doesn't really do a lot over time without the melee to back it up. TB keeps harassing until back up comes.

The main problem is that players try to play some DGs like you can play UB, it doesn't work like that, you play to the strengths.

I see UB as DGs version of Ken in SFIV. Powerful in the hands of lower end players, but once you get out of the bottom leagues, there are more than enough counters to him.

Besides, Ooze build is far more potent than spit.

Not that I agree with the suggested reduction in cost but I am curious... do people actually buy any of the top-end citadel upgrades (beyond the added creeps themselves) in high-level play?  Is the current proposed tradeoff one that people are actually making?  At a glance, the costs of the upgrades listed in the OP do seem a little prohibitive in my experience considering what you actually get.

Genuine question.  I honestly don't know.

I don't do that the majority of the time though, but there are times when I do, it just really depends on my gold and the opposite team's comp, but as the guy above me said you definitely see people buying those upgrades when giants hit the field if the match is even up to that point.

Your asking a little bit to much, rly most of these things u saiy are not in need of a change.

Of course i stay away from him, but he is to fast...

Ah ok. And 40% dmg reduction (Acclimation,UB) is not overpowered???

And Favor Items are sometimes really fucked up thats a fact.

Plate Visor & Footmans Sabbaton are underpwoered.

i said most of the changes, not all. you're right that some items should be improved. the off base suggestions are the following:

- nerf Erebus minions [this was overpowered due to Horn of Battle and no longer is a balance issue, should not be changed]

- make Land Mines and Venom Spit 0 range abilities [totally off base, there have been multiple threads discussing these abilities so i won't re-hash here except to say that these abilities are exactly right and should not be changed]

- change costs of certain citadel upgrades [unnecessary. i've found good uses for every citadel upgrade and they are costed right]

so what we agree about is the need to improve some of the items in the game. no argument there. the rest i think you're way off base.