Very Upset... » Forum Post by Zodiaq~

OMG!!! You guys...This is too much.

Plain and simple. I agree their are several graphics on several skins that may be similar, maybe used as a reference to create something close. For hell's sake, someone could use the same tutorial.

The button I created was created from scratch using Photoshop layer styles, I didn't use any tutorial and spent a lot of time on it.

I'm not saying it was recreated as a likeness. What I am saying is that it was my file cut and pasted and modified.

I emailed the author earlier today but have received no response as of yet. I wish I could at least hear his side of the story.

chrissy14...read the thread before you post.

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Zodiac, I looked at the images and also had to say that I didn't see anything like you're saying. Do you zoom into pixels when you analyze them? That might help. But I must ask you point blank (for the sake of all sanity involved here)...did you ACTUALLY slice your own image in half...copy paste it and get the exact effect you're speaking of? That might clear everything up right here. I understand you're being upset and nobody is dissing you here...in fact quite the opppostite...we want you to stay and not feel that you are being mistreated or not 'heard' but many folks including myself looked in depth at the pixels and found no fault or foul.

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If you must cut, paste, and apply multiple filters to your image, to get his. Sorry Zodiaq, this is no "proof" at all. Please drop this, and skin something.

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perhaps possession is 9/10ths of the law

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Jafo

Join Date 03/2001

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Zodiaq~...I have emailed you a 'private' response and [I hope] clarification.

Putting these images on public view for comment has meant you don't need my sole opinion of whether there is an incidence of 'ripping' or not, as you have others with an equally qualified/experienced opinion of the issue at hand, seemingly concurring with mine.

I'll show you a real-life issue of ripping which actually took a lot of argument for those concerned to be convinced.

This is a rip which was claimed NOT to be, yet very definitely IS such......and an example why your situation is really so different...

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This is pointless

This is my final comment:

Like I said earlier, I have many hours into a skin that I intend to share with many of the users that appreciate my work. I will release it perhaps sometime next week and leave it up, as well as the rest of my library for a couple of weeks.

Regretfully, after that I must pull out from Wincustomize. I'm not looking for sympathy or please don't go, I don't want any of it. After all, I am just some guy that puts together a few graphics and calls it a skin. I mean in all reality, after the first 30 minutes of my departure I won't even be remembered, so it's really not that big of a deal.

I feel that I approached this scenario the best I could and frankly, most of the responses in this thread are quite Rude. As other's have been very rude towards many other skinners and artists on this message board and driven them away.

Jafo's comment on manipulating a cat into a dog was uncalled for and clearly a statement as such is the kind of fuel that has fed the fire's of some of the very hateful threads in the past month or so and it's coming from an admin.

I am leaving with no ill feeling's...I promise

I enjoyed it while it lasted, it was vey fun.

Peace out

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Jafo

Join Date 03/2001

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https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.asp?library=13&SkinID=2080

Now, the small image on the left is a 256 colour gif claimed to be the sole inspiration to the creation of a work which was argued NOT to be a rip of the Universe Metal Wincustomize.com site skin....as if the two images/designs were some-how a magic coincidence?

I don't think so.

The IE6 browser window on the right shows the WC skin in action.

Except for colour-depth restrictions of a gif format [256 colour] Vs the jpg's 16.7 million...they are pixel-perfect.

And yet I defy anyone with working sight and an above-drool-level intelligence to conclude anything BUT that they are identical and therefore a 'rip' issue....

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Jafo

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Zodiaq~...my comment about manipulating a dog to make a cat was a humorous [in theory] example to explain that if an image must have so very many alterations/processes done to it before it is like another then it clearly is not actually like it in the first place.

A dog has 4 legs and a tail....so does a cat, yet a cat is not a dog.

Your image CAN be made to look like his, and vise versa.....I agree thoroughly, but so can so many others that this cannot realistically be construed as a rip. If it is, then ALL, that is ALL 'glassy' buttons are a rip of the Apple OS.

This is not a defensible and upholdable claim via copyright, though I believe Apple was trying to. I think it was like trying to copyright an apple without the bite removed....just too publicly generic...but WITH the bite removed it was distinguishable and registerable.

In the same way that Macca's has trademarked its 'M' symbol....doesn't mean it has trademarked the letter 'M'...

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Not a rip, the one has a blue satin in the middel and a brighter light, also on the bottom.

I've seen things that came MUCH closer to my crappy x-box skin.

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If people have been rude, I think it's because of the fact that you're going to leave the community simply because Jafo and others disagree that it's a rip. Maybe it's me, but that seems rather childish, especially for something as little and common as a round Aqua-like button.
People leave over the silliest ideas.

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Well, you made it impossible for yourself to return now.

Your opinion concerning what is rude or not is a little akward. It is rude how you can consume the time of others and only hope that they will prove your own right. And when they do not share your "opnion" you throw them away like letters on your screen. You have abused these people. Think about it.

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That's so called aqua button. (like Mac style). Maybe he did it by some tutorial.

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Zodiaq~ I understand that you might feel upset because you saw a design that looks like yours. But I think your opening statement on the post its what brought all this drama. You started the post as follow;

I'm feeling extremely upset. Another skinner from this site (you know who you are) stole one of my graphics from my "Blue Pearl" skin and is using it. I'm not sure what to do. I don't want to say any names, just looking for advice on the matter.

You directly accused someone and briefly detailed what the problem was. If what you wanted was to get assitance on the matter, the correct aproach would have been a post asking how can you report a possible rip. Then someone would have pointed you to the person/s that can help you. You would have e-mail that person/s and all this would had been avoided.
Just my oppinion.

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My turn now. I am extremely annoyed to be accused of copying work without due proof and with knowing the colouring i used is more popular than anything i know, and to be honest i have never downloaded his work nor even looked at it to know. And i do not appreciate emails accusing me also, that is taking it to a personal level.

Zodiaq you have no proof (cause there is none) and you've clearly convinced yourself i have ripped your work so all i can say is coincidence happens and get over it. I will not apologise for something i have not done, i did not start doing skins just to have accusations thrown at me cause something looks similar, if there is something i want to use or adjust then i will ask.

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I already had the idea it was about your skin, my personaly oppinion about this:

Zodiaq is WRONG

Dark Mist is a very prommising new skinner, and the personal mails are just LOW! I know you wouldn't do such a thing dark mist, and know how anoying it is to be accused of ripping if you didn't do it.

( had the same incident when some guy started screaming I ripped something of copperdeck... (cause my cursor had a sphere... omg)

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I dont mind having someone ask me if i have or not its when this happens, the one accusing goes off on a crusade to give me a bad name

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KarmaGirl

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#60 by Psycho Janus - 6/3/2003 10:44:48 PM
If people have been rude, I think it's because of the fact that you're going to leave the community simply because Jafo and others disagree that it's a rip. Maybe it's me, but that seems rather childish, especially for something as little and common as a round Aqua-like button.
People leave over the silliest ideas.

That was well said. I'm always amazed when this happens. And it's purely silly if you take a step back and look at it from a distance.

1) a person makes a post about something that is done wrong to them. (they publicly posted to the board which then makes it a public issue....it's not a "can an admin email me" post- it's a "this is wrong!" post)

2) others don't see the same view point and tell the original poster that they don't see it that way. In return, the original poster get defensive.

3) more people post, more people get angry

4) original poster says "goodbye cruel world" and leaves.

purely silly.

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KarmaGirl

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Oh, and by the way, I looked at the buttons *very* closely. I even tried manipulating yours to make it look like the "rip". It would be easier to make it from scratch than to manipulate it that much. I really see it as just another glassy button (which are all really "inspired" by Mac

) I'm sorry that you got this upset over it.

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KarmaGirl

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( had the same incident when some guy started screaming I ripped something of copperdeck... (cause my cursor had a sphere... omg)

I remember that.... I stood up for ya', too because I used both Cursors and knew that they were very different. It happens all the time....

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Zodiaq...please turn off the lights on your way out ....

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wombat likes it dark.....

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Jafo

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Just getting one thing 'straight'...at no time was a name mentioned publicly here....until Dark Mist commented himself.

Zodiaq~ may have been 'incorrect' in his assertion but the 'issue' remained anonymous and therefore respectful.

I just thought that point should be made...

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Anyone know of a tutorial for making buttons in the first place?

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Fuzzy Logic

Join Date 05/2002

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http://www.psplinks.com/ is a good place for PSP

Be careful how you make them though

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Thanks Fuzzy.

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