I WANT TO PLAY!!!!!! thats why i still follow these threads. That and the fact that DG has one of the best, sadly smallest, communities online.

I agree with this. Snipe is a good skill early on but half way through a game it becomes an almost worthless skill tree that you have invested a few points in already. Giving it a stun at lvl 15 would vault it into a good skill tree the whole way and would help reg as a character since he really does fall way behind every other character in the game at lvl 15 and beyond. all though 2 seconds with that kind of range would be a bit much i think.

As far as MotB I don't think its like pent. Maybe in the delivery system and the fact that they both give slows and damage but it ends there. Mark is AoE, its more damage, its slow is like 4 times as much as pent, but it depends on an activation of a power by the other player after being marked where as pent is all instant. Just because the delivery system works like oak's or TB's does not mean it is the ideal power to put an interrupt on. Putting an interrupt on mark says to me that we are trying to balance the characters through their delivery of powers, and that kind of unification of different characters in their play style does not sit well with me. Diversity is what makes things interesting.

We actually seem to have a decent bit of consensus on Deadeye/Impedance on Snipe and some kind of speed increase.  That's a pretty good start for Reg, since most of his skills are actually somewhat useful already.  I'd also like to see Maim improved in at least duration, and Deadeye improved in chance, but it's best to do a small number of changes at a time to best feel out their impact.

I'll post a mini-mod tonight or tomorrow that has only the two basic Reg changes and DA's speed increase.  I'm also gonna work on a fix for Warp Area targeting for the upcoming UberFix release, but I'm a bit puzzled as to exactly what is happening, because WA already re-targets on every hop, and checks whether or not the target is dead (and meta-impacted targets should be dead the moment they're hit).

We should probably get a new thread for this, or something.

What are everyone's specific thoughts on Reg's speed?  Increase base speed, or add ~2.5% per level to Angelic Fury?

If its a vote I think base speed increase is a good idea for reg. I'm not opposed to smaller buffs with angelic fury either - in the same way fire aura makes tb faster..I'm not sure of the numbers on that one.

I want reg to have a increase of 6.3 to his base stats as well as adding some sort of percentage to his movement speed with each rank of angelic fury. If you can get him to run around with 7.0 movement speed with angelic fury at rank 4 I think that would be about right. 

Well my thought was that I would rather have reg be able to run away late game then be fodder for UB.

UB only hits 6.9

You've done nothing but shoot down everything everyone suggests for every demigod, without really offering any alternatives.

Care to step up to the plate?

For what it's worth, I've played about a dozen AI-mod nightmare games with Reg on this setup, and I'm still getting stomped, using mines+snipe+fury+mark and staff of renewal.  Snipe still becomes entirely pointless past about level 12-15 because everyone's got 5k+ health, and they're running/porting (and/or sigiling) with far more HP than Snipe can ever do.  The deadeye snipe stun would certainly help with real teammates, but as one might expect, it does nothing significant on its own when you're using it from long range and have nothing to follow up with.

The speed has so far only helped early on, where the towers provide meaningful support.  Once the AI have enough health to shrug off towers (and snipe...) all the speed in the world doesn't really do any good, and one good snare means you're dead anyway.

I even added an additional 3% speed bonus to Vengeance, and I don't think that comes close to incentivizing it enough.  The blast radius and damage are just too small to be at all useful when you already have Angelic Fury IV, which lets you kill the same number of creeps at a much faster speed (and without the four+ seconds of immobile vulnerability) for a whole ~160 mana.  I can use the framework I created for this to add other Fury-active bonuses to it, but I'm not sure what would make it worthwhile other than just more damage.

lol, I've offered plenty in the past, nothing here is new or original

OK, but we need to do some actual "testing"

Simply making changes and then having everyone play "that way" is not really methodical.

eg: Erebus may not really care if weaker ass reg has 20% movement when the can simply pop beside and bite / stun / kill, but this may be a real problem for DA if he can't get any closer to Reg then range 21 for the 1st 10 levels.

Another eg: What is the implication of a Reg with fast speed angelic fury for each and every "typical build" on other DGs. You must also consider what this means for n00b, medium and pro skill levels. eg: Either one of those categories might have a problem mitigating some change.

eg3: Some potential (but not complete) problems that might crop up on build vs build changes.
Noobs might be oblivious to the obvious way to counter a tactic that becomes incredibly insane vs anything they can do
Mediums might understand the problem, but not have the micro skills to mitigate it
Pros might find an unconquerable exploit that railroads their opponent into defeat 100% of the time.

I dunno... there are alot of ideas... so let's defer to Pacov... what are the 1st set of changes you want to try out since this is your thread.... Mr. Pandora.

Reposting the link in case people are scrolling past it:

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Regulus:
- Snipe now always applies Impedance Bolt and Deadeye stun when those abilities are present
- Base speed increased to 6.3
- Angelic Fury adds +3% speed per level (including Vengeance), up to +15%

Demon Assassin:
- Base speed increased to 6.3

The DA change is just a token thing at this point, something that nobody has disagreed with.  Don't want to do any controversial changes to DA (which is anything but base speed) until we've got a few things worked out for Reg.

Again, for the record, I have found ZERO evidence of Forceful Blows 'wasting' Warp Area teleports.  If you can prove otherwise, I'll see if I can fix that in the UberFix, but at the moment it seems to be working exactly as intended.

Re: Reg speed vs DA range, will not be a problem.  DA gets more speed at earlier levels, for fewer points, and Reg cannot kite him at all with Maim as DA can warp in on Reg with WS III (level 7) if he ever tries to fire at DA.  Reg also cannot have the max possible Fury, Scope, and Maim combination needed at < level 7 to have even a chance of kiting a DA with Warp Strike II, another up-side of attaching speed to Fury instead of just giving him high base.

I can see a few other matchups maybe being made more difficult due to the increased speed, but this is freakin' Regulus we're talking about here.  Right now everyone can bend him over and have their way, and giving him a little control over escape and/or flow of battle in some of those situations isn't going to make him imbalanced.

I agree with the bolded statement but adding speed to angelic fury isn't supposed to make you prioritize it over mines and snipe, IMO those should always be taken over angelic fury. Adding speed to angelic fury makes regs late game better because after you have dumped all your points into mark, mines and snipe angelic fury is the next logical path to put your stuff into. I have a saying that goes like this, "all regs become AA regs late game" Giving speed to angelic fury will help his survivability late game which is one of his largest issues.

I do not understand how you can say that adding speed to reg wont let him extend and retreat earlier on. You must not understand the siginificance of a base speed of 6.3.