Woah, what did I say that you couldn't express? That decent people are helpless towards the abuse of loopholes in a rule system which makes enforcement by devs necessary? Or that you simply do what 'everyone' does? Which is sort of a dumb excuse, because when literally everyone does it just because 'everyone' else does it it becomes hollow.

Ah. Smurfs. I've got 400+ on my main. 150+ on my DT Raging amish tag. 70+ on two other smurfs. and 10+ on a new one I'm working on. And I've got two with 70+ that I have since given up. It's a shame when I think about it. I could have all of those on one main. My point? Keeeiiiillll the smurfing. It needs to die. Just like the Illum bug.

I think its kind of hypocritical that you people say smurfing should be eliminated but do so yourself.  It would not be a problem if you take responsibilty for your own actions and stopped of your own accord.  No developer intervention would be needed then.  Just because you CAN do something does not make it right to do so.  I could do a lot of bad things and have no real consequences to them but that would not make me any less of a dick for doing them.  It has been said that the real measure of character is what one does when no one is looking.  That could be translated to online because no one knows who you are so there are less negative consequences.  It is doubtful any of you smurfs will stop until you are forced though.

[_]-Greyfox

At least you admit you do it for the "advantages".  Far be it for someone to act with honor regardless of what they are doing at the time.  Too bad we can't have fair teams in pugs for smurf stacking.  If you can't win and have fun in a fair fight then why even bother.  Does it make you feel good to stack a team to win that way?  Does it give you a sense of accomplishment?  I would rather my winning be a struggle than an complete rout.  I would also rather do it without "cheating" to do so.  It sounds as if you see no problem with any cheat so long as it gives you an advantage.  If I lose then I lose.  Nothing lost by losing so why not do it with some honor.

[_]-Greyfox

Smurfing is here, and it is here to stay, no point in complaining. Some people do it to train, some people do it to trash talk (which is wrong), and some people do it to play a causal game, and not feel they have to win every game and not have fun.

its only a small problem compared to other major problems.

Everone chill out, and heres a video from my good smurf |USMC|Jarhead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut-qe_jGGxk&feature=PlayList&p=C2F600D7B0A57F21&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=10

And this talks a guy who spamm bugged lums to win just cause he can , a guy who uses lums bugged advantage every game and a guy who posted few day ago treat about someone who used Z axis and called him bug abuser.  Kali morality in full picture.

its allowed so i do it.  same as u. Period. and i think its should be forbidden.

There is no hipocrycy in it. Hipocrycy is pointing a finger at someone who use  legal but "unetical" advantage while using other legal "unetical" advantage by himspelf.

NaughtyFox.......

BTW considerin my smurfs have much better stats then my main, i dont know what r u whining about

I was asking honest questions that you did not answer.  It isn't that the community got bigger thats for damn sure.  I find your statement that you bring out your main when you see people you know highly doubtful and just an excuse to smurf.  Just like you only scout rush when you see someone else going for lrf when I have personally seen you have a fleet of them before lrf one comes out.  Pretty much the only time I see DT with tags on or even nonsmurfing are when they are wanting to play together as a clan on one team and that isn't often(exceptions being Howthe and Klemz).    I am sorry if my stand against smurfing is not to your liking but I didn't dig up any pictures of smurfs being dipshits to make a post more to your style like your long post on scouts that featured pictures of wierdo boy scouts and women. 

To his credit, quar usually tips off his smurfs by taking specific jabs at me but most do not.  As to the illums quar, I do not spam illums that much.  It isn't like using a Z axis exploit or scuttling neutrals which are intentional and completely avoided otherwise.  Illums/lrf are a central part of the fleet and it is hard to not use them.  I generally aim for a balanced fleet but it is often tailored to what my enemy has built(which isnt illums for you unless you are early SB rushing me and there isnt much else to take down the thing with).  Illums suck taking down SBs unless you have a huge number of them and you usually build a lot of SBs.  As to the morality of using illums at all, there isnt much option else unless I halcyon/scout/disc rush or 2 skirantra/SB rush like the rest of you DT bastards.  Maybe I should take it up just to make you happy since you think its a more acceptable spam. 

You all can try to turn it around and make this about me if you like but that doesn't make smurfing any better.  It is still done with the intent of team stacking and other "advantages".  If winning when you stack the deck is fun for you then you aren't gonna stop unless they make you stop which I doubt they will do.  You say it should be forbidden and stopped but still do it so yes I call that a hypocrit.

[_]-Greyfox

I AM GOD

YOU CANNOT WIN AGAINST ME SMURF OR NOT SMURF


I AM GOD

Houston, over.

If you'll notice the theme that I have tried to keep throughout this post is FOR THE PUGS.

I know this won't stop people from smurfing unless devs do SOMETHING, but if we are going to:

1-Take the time to get online,

2-wait for a game to finally get sorted and started-aka PUG/5v5/4v4

3 make it past the 3 minute minidump mark

Wouldn't you want a fair and fun game after all of that?

I know we can agree on a fair game being a better game-otherwise people wouldn't complain about "bugs" that imbalance the game-One example I can think of is "f***n bugged lums"

Smurfs are the bugs of PUGS.

<- card carrying member of the Church of Smurf

new name every few days, it's kinda fun

Amish said he used his main when he knew people in the room.  Apparently you only read my posts quar.  Its nice to be the focus of your obsession but I gotta say buddy......I'm straight.  I am sorry to disappoint but there is just no interest from me.  Better luck next time.

Just gotta give you some crap.  I never figured you would stop smurfing quar.  You just speak hypocritically when you say you are against it because there is nothing stopping you from stopping except you.

[_]-Greyfox

I would like to see a 1v1 game between you two.  Good ol' fox and the hound.

When they stop plagueing PUGs I will.  Love the art though.