Well thanks, didn't know to hit the enter key. I didn't host but, shortly after the host left what was already a bad routing by the AI's got a whole lot worse quickly. They kept chatting and indicating what they thought they would do but, they kept losing capital ships early on. Just before I left as I neared capturing one AI's planet, my home world was attacked by 2 AI's with 4 times my entire fleet and this was early on, within the first 30 minutes. I gave up. My nearest human player had lost all but their homeworld and their Capital ship so... no point. I was being attacked with 4 A.I. capital ships and 2 well stocked fleets. I had only 1/4 that total force. I quit at that point. Oh well. I will only consider a 2 x 2 to see how that goes. No more 4 x 4, for sure.