How did I get Start11v2 working with StartAllBack?

Hello,
Sorry to hear you are having issues. But, from what I know, Start11 should not be used with any other Start Menu altering program.

Thank you,
Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant.

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Quoting basj,

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Hello,
Sorry to hear you are having issues. But, from what I know, Start11 should not be used with any other Start Menu altering program.

Thank you,
Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant.

That's...less than helpful. Thanks for playing. It obviously does work and as I mentioned, has worked for an extensive period of time.
If you're not willing to help me work this one out, why did you bother replying? Your reply doesn't help or provide any support in any way, shape or form.

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It was an unofficial update from the start 11 team that allowed the two programs to work better together. What sections are disabled? I do believe certain taskbar features from start 11 are unusable if another program is altering the taskbar and thus should be disabled.

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Jafo

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Quoting eliminatrix64,

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That's...less than helpful. Thanks for playing. It obviously does work and as I mentioned, has worked for an extensive period of time.
If you're not willing to help me work this one out, why did you bother replying? Your reply doesn't help or provide any support in any way, shape or form.

Stardock's Support is for Stardock's Products. Stardock's Start 11 is intended to be used specifically and solely as a modding alternative to the Default Windows OS configuration.

StartAllBack is a third party ALTERNATIVE and there is no intention or reason that they can or do co-exist without issue.

There is simply no reason to expect them to.

If you have a setup with appropriate options that seemingly had functionality you were happy with then good for you.

I see no reason why Stardock's Support should spend time facilitating your use of a competing product.

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Quoting Jafo,

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It was an unofficial update from the start 11 team that allowed the two programs to work better together.

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Quoting eliminatrix64,

reply 2

That's...less than helpful. Thanks for playing. It obviously does work and as I mentioned, has worked for an extensive period of time.
If you're not willing to help me work this one out, why did you bother replying? Your reply doesn't help or provide any support in any way, shape or form.

Stardock's Support is for Stardock's Products. Stardock's Start 11 is intended to be used specifically and solely as a modding alternative to the Default Windows OS configuration.

StartAllBack is a third party ALTERNATIVE and there is no intention or reason that they can or do co-exist without issue.

There is simply no reason to expect them to.

If you have a setup with appropriate options that seemingly had functionality you were happy with then good for you.

I see no reason why Stardock's Support should spend time facilitating your use of a competing product.

"It was an unofficial update from the start 11 team that allowed the two programs to work better together."
That's what the other user has stated. They obviously do work together and in a previous release, the developers made an effort to ensure they could.
It is working. It has worked. It can work meaning it should work. So there's obviously deliberate functionality built into the program which you are clearly unaware of that allows both programs to work together.

I don't recall having to do anything spectacular to get them to work together on my main profile, in fact, I believe it just worked.

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@Jafo

This has absolutely nothing to do with StartAllBack.

I'm requesting specific help for a specific Stardock software for which I have purchase and paid a license for. I am needing support for a specific, deliberate feature within a Stardock software. This is a deliberate feature of which the Stardock developers for Start11 have made a conscious choice to detect a 3rd party program and disable functionality of their own program.
I am not asking for support for StartAllBack in any way, shape or form. I am referring solely to a very specific part of Start11 which is well within Stardock's remit to provide support for.

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Quoting Jafo,

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Quoting eliminatrix64,

reply 2

That's...less than helpful. Thanks for playing. It obviously does work and as I mentioned, has worked for an extensive period of time.
If you're not willing to help me work this one out, why did you bother replying? Your reply doesn't help or provide any support in any way, shape or form.

Stardock's Support is for Stardock's Products. Stardock's Start 11 is intended to be used specifically and solely as a modding alternative to the Default Windows OS configuration.

StartAllBack is a third party ALTERNATIVE and there is no intention or reason that they can or do co-exist without issue.

There is simply no reason to expect them to.

If you have a setup with appropriate options that seemingly had functionality you were happy with then good for you.

I see no reason why Stardock's Support should spend time facilitating your use of a competing product.

I'm going to absolutely blow your mind here. In version 2.07, the official release notes state:

Resolved issue with timing sensitivity detecting SAB which caused S11 to disable features when it didn't need to

So as a direct, total and complete contradiction to your statements, the developers of Start11 are making a conscious and deliberate effort to actually ensure that both programs could be used concurrently without a loss of functionality in Start11.

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Jafo

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Quoting eliminatrix64,

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the developers of Start11 are making a conscious and deliberate effort to actually ensure that both programs could be used concurrently without a loss of functionality in Start11.

Or a deliberate effort to try to protect users such as yourself from tanking your OS totally.

Perhaps you can elucidate as to what efforts have been made on the part of StartAllBack for co-existing "nicely" with Start 11.

All support processes are intended to resolve issues of OS instability as and when reported by the user.

You as a user set up your system with acceptable[to you] options with both programs not disabling/conflicting with what you chose.

I don't think it's the job of Stardock Support to hold your hand to enable you to repeat it.

Policy has always been 'either/or', not both.

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Resolved issue with timing sensitivity detecting SAB which caused S11 to disable features when it didn't need to

"Perhaps you can elucidate as to what efforts have been made on the part of StartAllBack for co-existing "nicely" with Start 11."

Resolved issue with timing sensitivity detecting SAB which caused S11 to disable features when it didn't need to

Do I really need to say any more?

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I've shown you clear, irrefutable proof that Start11 developers are making deliberate efforts to ensure that both programs can work together without loss of functionality in Start11.

Your choice is to deny that reality. Your...statement that the policy has been "either/or" is not supported by the facts and evidence which I have presented to you. Which you continue to deny and refuse to accept.

If you're willing to provide me with any evidence that backs up your claims as I have, I am more that willing to go through it and provide you with a formal, official, public apology if required.

This evidence can be:

- Official change logs, release notes
- Official public statements by the dev team, Startdock employees
- Program code

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Jafo

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On a 'helping note'. Stardock's Devs have clearly set a check code in place to determine if/when the user also has SAB installed.

To therefore NOT brick your OS it would follow that SAB is installed first so Start 11 is aware of it when installed second.

Other than that I simply would never use 2 at once as potentially 'stability' would be at risk with any updates/alterations to SAB if nothing else.

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Jafo

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One last time.

Stardock's Devs do not want their programs to damage a user's system so work to ensure programs can co-exist without system failure.

That has absolutely nothing to do with promoting the duplication of shell enhancements.

It is about system stability.

You SHOULD only apply one shell modification for 'Start', however, if you MUST use 2 at least you know Stardock's program will not brick your system. The same cannot be said for the second proggy as that is outside Stardock's remit.

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One last time.

Talk about spin. Up is down, left is right. Green is stop and red is 180 kp/h. Guess the facts can really be interpreted to prove whatever you want to prove.

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Jafo

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I honestly can't remember how I got them to work together,

You work it out.

It's not "spin". It's policy.

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If startallback is providing taskbar features then Start11 should automatically disable taskbar features to avoid conflict which is what you are seeing.

If you disable taskbar features in startallback then Start11 should allow the options in Start11 though as reboot may be required.

The order of installation should make no difference.

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