With the 2.06 release, and even before, i have had constant issues and buggyness with the Small taskbar/Rounded Corners options for enhanced taskbar. the window previews don't always go away when no longer hovered, it can show wrong window on hover, it will get stuck on screen sometimes, has horrible load times when explorer is started, will sometimes just completely disappear. I have had it crash explorer a few times as well, but can not determine if it was entirely due to start11 or just explorer being bad.

Windows 11 Pro 23H2 22631.3155
Intel 14700k
Z690 Chipset
Nvidia 3080 12Gb GPU

I recently upgraded from Start11 v1.x to V2 and updated to v2.06. I'm using Windows-10-Style. Since V2, arranging icons in the startmenu panes has become almost unusable.

When I drag an app icon, the existing icons move in an unpredictable way. The white shadow that should indicate were the selected app would be dropped is in a completely different spot than the mouse cursor. When I release the mouse button, it will be dropped somewhere near the mouse cursor. Gladly not where the white shadow indicates but also very often not were I want it.

It also happens very often, that an icon that I want to move e.g. one square to the right ends up also one square down, which then leads to complete rearrangement of the entire group.

When I try to move groups, it doesn't allow me to choose the order within one column. If I have 3 Groups in one column they are always in the same seemingly arbitrary order, no matter how I try to move them.

I would also appreciate an option to disable grouping of applications, which I don't need and also happens accidently to me.

I tried to capture screenshots of the mentioned issues, but I have a hard time to grab a shot while an Start11-Item is dangling on the mouse cursor. But I will try again and add another post.

In its current state, the upgrade was a huge step back for me without any gain. Please advice how to get back the formerly great experience.

I've just updated to 2.06. On both my PC and Laptop, the Start Button is opening to the All Programs list and not the tabs and folders. This seems to be the result of the "Start menu should open showing all programs list" option in the Advanced Settings of the Windows Pro Style, which now appears to be the default option.

Hi, I've been having this problem with Google Chrome for quite some time now when you minimize the Google Chrome window and then you can no longer open it by clicking on the icon but you have to go to the preview and click there and then you can you open google chrome again. Why ?

It only happens with Google Chrome with other browsers or programs, not all normal, I only have this thing with Google Chrome

I made a short video for you to see:

That did the trick! Thank you for the quick help!

Only thing left is, that groups can't be arranged in the order I want them. For now as a workaround, I move the apps from one group to another and then rename the groups accordingly. Maybe you a hint there too or this will be possible in a future version?

Many thanks,

Alex

Ahh, that works too, thank you!

I think one is easily misled by the fact that you can also grab a group by the name and move that around but it is not the same as grabbing the 3 bars. I would find it helpful if there was only one way to grab and drag a group. The three bars could be used for both, rearranging and stacking groups.

But I'm very happy now. Thank you again!

On Windows 11, Version 22H2 (OS Build 22621.3155)

Problem 1.  I'm unable to rearrange groups in a vertical column.  For example trying to drag and drop W or X below P shows the dragging icon.  But when you let go of the drag icon the groups stay where they were.

Problem 2.  This is hard to describe... While dragging icons from one Group to another Group the icons slide to make space in a very unusual way.  I want to see sliding icons wrapping down to the first column in the next row (expected).  Instead icons slide to the right then down the right side.  I can't make sense of how to use that behavior  This makes it hard to put icons in the exact order I intended.

Thanks.

"I should note we have not removed support, we have added detection to prevent reported conflicts which stop the two working together without the menu getting stuck in a loop.  We had a number of complaints about this."


I'm no developer, I've done programming and I loathe it but let me get this straight....by fixing a problem for some users, you've broken it for others. I'm now completely UNABLE to use ANY Start11 version past 2.05 UNTIL this detection is REMOVED. I'm now unable to use any additional features, any fixes because of this detection. StartAllBack has features that Start11 doesn't have which is why I use them both and have used them both across multiple devices FOR MONTHS WITHOUT ANY ISSUES.
Like I said, I'm no developer but wouldn't it have made some sense to leave that up to the user to decide? Instead of arbitrarily pulling support and disabling the use of both programs simultaneously FOR EVERYONE? Regardless if they had an issue or not.
Couldn't you have put an option or a toggle with a warning?
Why was the decision made to not even given users options?
EG:
"We have detected that you are using StartAllBack alongside Start11. What are you using StartAllBack for?
User is presented with various options
You have selected Start Menu. Please be advised that there are currently compatibility issues with StartAllBack and Start11. As such, we have disabled certain features in Start11 based on the option you have selected.
User selects another option that currently has no reported or known compatibility issues with StartAllBack.
Nothing happens. The warning goes away and the detection is disabled and both programs can be used simultaneously.
Instead, without doing any research or any QA or any testing whatsoever, you've broken it for people WHOM IT WASN'T EVER BROKEN FOR
Can I ask if you actually did ANY thorough, detailed, substantial internal testing between Start11 AND StartAllBack? 
What's going to happen now? Will this detection be removed or are those of us stuck forever now on 2.05?

Edit - What's doubly frustrating is that you haven't made it EASY or simple to figure this out. I turned on my computer, the Start11 process was running in task manager but I couldn't open the program and all my customisation was gone. Usually right-clicking on the taskbar, there's an option in the menu to bring up the Start11 config. I even tried restarting the service itself. It wasn't until I randomly started running all the exe's in the program folder itself that I was able to bring up the settings menu which showed the disabled functions.
What you SHOULD HAVE DONE is upon a restart or when Windows starts up after a hibernation or whatever, a popup should immediately appear as soon as the 2.07 update was installed:
"We have detected that you are using StartAllBack in combination with Start11. Certain features of Start11 are now disabled."
There are SO, SO many better ways you could have handled or managed this but to be brutal, you've got with the quick and nasty option.

*f.a.c.e.p.a.l.m*

Hi,

After updating to Start11 version 2.06 on several computers, I've noticed a consistent problem: typing "appwiz.cpl" into the Start menu's "Search programs and files" field and hitting enter fails to produce any response. On one occasion, doing so (out of habit) caused an explorer.exe access violation (0xc0000005) crash, with Start10_64.dll being the faulting module.

Prior to version 2.06, doing the aforesaid would successfully open the Add/Remove Programs window. Entering said term through Windows Search still works correctly, as does doing the same through the "Run" menu.

Thanks!

I'm noticing many taskbar restarts (probably Explorer itself) which are happening rather frequently.  They seem to happen at random, or at least I can see no rhyme or reason for them.  Once restarted, all seems fine, but during the restart, the computer kind of just pauses to figure out what it should do, does it (the restart), then resumes with what I'm doing.

Another thing I see is blank taskbar icons.  I have a group in Start11 that I "launch entire group" which is when this typically shows up.  The icons eventually fill in, but for a while it's a little like driving blind.

I may be only adding my voice to those of others who have voiced these issues, but I do hope Stardock is aware of these bugs and has an update coming to fix them.  

Version 2.06, and says I'm on the latest version.

It would be helpful if you could tell us what the offset was in Start10_64.dll for that crash, or if you are technical a DMP file would be even better.

Event log says:

Faulting application name: Explorer.EXE, version: 10.0.22621.3235, time stamp: 0x964aa91d
Faulting module name: Explorer.EXE, version: 10.0.22621.3235, time stamp: 0x964aa91d
Exception code: 0xc0000409
Fault offset: 0x00000000000a2630
Faulting process id: 0x0x29A0
Faulting application start time: 0x0x1DA73A57E8BABCB
Faulting application path: C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE
Faulting module path: C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE
Report Id: 63400e09-5e03-4f5a-80f3-a8977dc0739d
Faulting package full name: 
Faulting package-relative application ID: 

So that points to Explorer.EXE for sure, but I have to wonder what tripped up Explorer?  Not saying that Microsoft couldn't have put out a bad version of Explorer, but as it is pretty much the primary user interface, I think it probably gets more scrutiny than some of the other Windows bits.

 I have Taskbar enhancements ON and set to never combine on the primary display.  Interestingly, it's set to Sometimes for the secondary display.  Because this is a laptop with an external display in addition to its own display, and because I really cannot use the primary laptop display after signing on, I close the lid and the external display becomes primary.  I have set both to Never at this time, in case there's something about the primary/secondary swap that becomes an issue.  But I should also ask you, what would be the 'best' setting?  In case, that is, that you have determined one to be any more problematic than the other.