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Reply #76 March 2, 2023 3:39:51 PM
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Quoting Litcube,
reply 75

 


    • "Forces autohide taskbars to medium bar size as the new Windows 11 taskbar only supports that"

 


 

Is that a forever thing?  Will we be able to do Large and Hidden in the future?

Unknown.  In the short term that's the limitation but in the future it may change.

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Reply #77 March 2, 2023 4:12:00 PM
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Little feedback:

  • the small size of enhanced is smaller then the windows small size (it would be nice to have something between enhanced medium and small, but that's would be feature not bugfix)
  • the "dots" under current application instead of grow are shrinking and getting almost invisible
  • most probably because of the size, the notification counters on icons changed from numbers to just "+"
  • taskbar sometimes loops in restarting
  • "Taskbar buttons should be combined" are not always follows the setting, like currently I have set to "Always" but the apps are expanded
  • apps in system try are missing title on hover (there is little empty popup)
  • it would be nice to make the system buttons scale along with the others (Windows, Search, Workspaces)
  • it would be nice to add possibility to change the active/hover background of icons from the "glass tile" to solid background like it is in system tray
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Reply #78 March 2, 2023 4:18:11 PM
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Did you update mrWoozie?  I ask as this we are not seeing:

Quoting mrWoozie,
reply 77

apps in system try are missing title on hover (there is little empty popup)

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Reply #79 March 2, 2023 6:29:56 PM
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Quoting sdRohan,
reply 78

Did you update mrWoozie?  I ask as this we are not seeing:

My feedback is to beta version 1.4.0.3

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Reply #80 March 2, 2023 8:00:16 PM
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Window version 22621.1344 22H2 with Start11 beta version 1.4.0.3

The task bar shifted up a bit

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Reply #81 March 2, 2023 10:32:06 PM
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New issue popped up for 1.4.0.3,

 

Start11 does always respect my taskbar transparency setting, I have it set to 0% but it keeps going back to 100% sometimes, mostly when clicking on another monitor.

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Reply #82 March 3, 2023 2:13:04 AM
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Yes! Worked, thank you!

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Reply #83 March 3, 2023 2:36:49 AM
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Brand new Windows 11 laptop and installed the beta Start11 1.4.0.3-j286.  Maximized windows are not respecting the Align Top task bar and every window maximizes underneath the task bar and leaves empty space at the bottom of the screen.  Also, with Align Top, the Action panel does not stretch up to the task bar, it stays at the bottom.  Finally, tooltips on the task buttons and tray icons open over the task bar and obscure the task bar and tray icons and prevent clicking on said task buttons or tray icons.  The release version was even worse than this.  It was putting the desktop shortcut icons up under the task bar as well, but that is the one thing fixed in the beta.

  • Edition Windows 11 Enterprise
  • Version 21H2
  • Installed on ‎3/‎1/‎2023
  • OS build 22000.1574
  • Experience Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.22000.1574.0

 

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Reply #84 March 3, 2023 2:40:22 AM
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Quoting stricq,
reply 83

Brand new Windows 11 laptop and installed the beta Start11 1.4.0.3-j286.  Maximized windows are not respecting the Align Top task bar and every window maximizes underneath the task bar and leaves empty space at the bottom of the screen.  Also, with Align Top, the Action panel does not stretch up to the task bar, it stays at the bottom.  Finally, tooltips on the task buttons and tray icons open over the task bar and obscure the task bar and tray icons and prevent clicking on said task buttons or tray icons.  The release version was even worse than this.  It was putting the desktop shortcut icons up under the task bar as well, but that is the one thing fixed in the beta.

What build is your Windows 11?

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Reply #85 March 3, 2023 6:00:07 AM
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Another issue - when clicking on group of windows it's not opening the popup with the windows. The only way to get the popup is to hover and wait.

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Reply #86 March 3, 2023 8:49:28 AM
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Quoting mrWoozie,
reply 85

Another issue - when clicking on group of windows it's not opening the popup with the windows. The only way to get the popup is to hover and wait.

Woozie,

Are you talking about this:

image

I don't even get a chance to click on them first, the hover pop-up is almost instantaneous on mouse over. Do you have any other similar programs installed? (Explorer Patcher, StarAllBack)

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Reply #87 March 3, 2023 8:57:32 AM
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I don't think that's a new issue but trying to organize anything on win10 style full screen start menu is extremely laggy: pinning, unpinning and performing actions from the context menu causes long freezes of the whole menu

 

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Reply #88 March 3, 2023 9:22:31 AM
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Microsoft Surface Pro 7
Edition Windows 11 Pro
Version 22H2
Installed on ‎Fri ‎04-‎Nov-‎22
OS build 22621.1344
Experience Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.22639.1000.0

Installed Start11_1.4.0.3-j286-Setup_sd.exe -> weird Taskbar (as attached)

Any suggestions to fix?

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Reply #89 March 3, 2023 9:28:43 AM
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Quoting SentotAdi,
reply 88

Microsoft Surface Pro 7
Edition Windows 11 Pro
Version 22H2
Installed on ‎Fri ‎04-‎Nov-‎22
OS build 22621.1344
Experience Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.22639.1000.0

Installed Start11_1.4.0.3-j286-Setup_sd.exe -> weird Taskbar (as attached)

Any suggestions to fix?


Do you have the touch optimized taskbar enabled and do you have multiple monitors, or a keyboard attached?

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Reply #90 March 3, 2023 10:00:03 AM
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Surface Pro is in "desktop mode" w/o Type Cover keyboard attached.

Touch optimized taskbar - yes
Multiple monitors (2 ext monitors) - yes
USB keyboard attached - yes

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Reply #91 March 3, 2023 10:22:03 AM
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I tried this new version after updating to the latest windows update this morning, and I'm still seeing this issue in the system tray.  Anything else I can try?

 

Processor    12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-12900HK   2.90 GHz
Installed RAM    64.0 GB (63.7 GB usable)
Device ID    250DE16D-62E7-4BB9-8052-DE89AB9FF9D0
Product ID    00330-80000-00000-AA237
System type    64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
Pen and touch    No pen or touch input is available for this display

Edition    Windows 11 Pro
Version    22H2
Installed on    ‎2/‎16/‎2023
OS build    22621.1344
Experience    Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.22639.1000.0

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Reply #92 March 3, 2023 10:26:46 AM
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I'm running Start11 on a Surface Pro 8 with the taskbar at the top of the screen. After that Windows update broke the taskbar, I started running the beta version which seemed to fix my problem. Last night (on 1.4.0.2), sometime after removing the keyboard, my taskbar reverted to a touch-friendly hidden taskbar at the bottom of the screen, even though I've never used either the hidden or touch-friendly options in Windows. I tried turning Start11 off/on, checking the windows options, etc., with no success. I ended up doing an uninstall/reinstall. I've gone through several iterations of on/off, uninstall/reinstall, going through all the options, etc.

I'm now on 1.4.0.3, and the only thing I can say for sure is that the hidden touch-friendly taskbar on the bottom of the screen will return. It may happen immediately after install, after a reboot, after removing the keyboard, but it will happen at some point. Once it happens, the only way to (maybe) restore proper operation is to uninstall/reinstall.

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Reply #93 March 3, 2023 10:36:34 AM
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Quoting DKD53,
reply 92

I'm running Start11 on a Surface Pro 8 with the taskbar at the top of the screen. After that Windows update broke the taskbar, I started running the beta version which seemed to fix my problem. Last night (on 1.4.0.2), sometime after removing the keyboard, my taskbar reverted to a touch-friendly hidden taskbar at the bottom of the screen, even though I've never used either the hidden or touch-friendly options in Windows. I tried turning Start11 off/on, checking the windows options, etc., with no success. I ended up doing an uninstall/reinstall. I've gone through several iterations of on/off, uninstall/reinstall, going through all the options, etc.

I'm now on 1.4.0.3, and the only thing I can say for sure is that the hidden touch-friendly taskbar on the bottom of the screen will return. It may happen immediately after install, after a reboot, after removing the keyboard, but it will happen at some point. Once it happens, the only way to (maybe) restore proper operation is to uninstall/reinstall.

Thats a new Windows feature in the update you installed.

No need for reinstalling etc.  Just turn it off in Windows taskbar settings.

 

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Reply #94 March 3, 2023 10:37:22 AM
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Correction to #92. Touch friendly option was initially on, but not hidden. They're now both off.

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Reply #95 March 3, 2023 1:34:34 PM
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Start 11 1.4.0.3-j286

issue I noticed - returns itself to the color of the Windows 11 taskbar.

  • Edition  Windows 11 Pro
  • 22H2 Version
  • Installed on ‎24.‎02.‎2023
  • OS build 22621.1344
  • Experience Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.22639.1000.0

 

 

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Reply #96 March 3, 2023 1:36:58 PM
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Quoting dcmarquardt,
reply 91

I tried this new version after updating to the latest windows update this morning, and I'm still seeing this issue in the system tray.  Anything else I can try? 



Processor    12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-12900HK   2.90 GHz
Installed RAM    64.0 GB (63.7 GB usable)
Device ID    250DE16D-62E7-4BB9-8052-DE89AB9FF9D0
Product ID    00330-80000-00000-AA237
System type    64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
Pen and touch    No pen or touch input is available for this display

Edition    Windows 11 Pro
Version    22H2
Installed on    ‎2/‎16/‎2023
OS build    22621.1344
Experience    Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.22639.1000.0

Certainly appreciate the feedback but when reporting things, please be specific about what exactly the issue is. Without supporting context, we may not be able to readily recall what you may have reported in the past or in other threads.

Thanks again,
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Reply #97 March 3, 2023 2:05:45 PM
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Quoting TPScroggins,
reply 86
Are you talking about this:
image

I don't even get a chance to click on them first, the hover pop-up is almost instantaneous on mouse over. Do you have any other similar programs installed? (Explorer Patcher, StarAllBack)

Yes I'm talking about it. I have no other similar programs installed. The preview pops-up after hovering for about 1 second, but I'm constantly switching between many windows and waiting means a lot. And after clicking on the icon I have to move mouse out and in again, other way it will never show.

Today I found some icons missing, in this case the missing one is Calculator app (the Windows one).

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Reply #98 March 3, 2023 2:11:20 PM
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How do you get beta 1.4.0.2 if you don't have Object Desktop?

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Reply #99 March 3, 2023 2:42:53 PM
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Quoting mrWoozie,
reply 97


Quoting TPScroggins,
reply 86
Are you talking about this:
image

I don't even get a chance to click on them first, the hover pop-up is almost instantaneous on mouse over. Do you have any other similar programs installed? (Explorer Patcher, StarAllBack)



Yes I'm talking about it. I have no other similar programs installed. The preview pops-up after hovering for about 1 second, but I'm constantly switching between many windows and waiting means a lot. And after clicking on the icon I have to move mouse out and in again, other way it will never show.

Today I found some icons missing, in this case the missing one is Calculator app (the Windows one).


Interesting, I am not seeing the same results that you are.

with Regular taskbar: https://cdn.stardock.us/support/uploads/2023-03-03_14-33-44pscro.mp4

with small taskbar: https://cdn.stardock.us/support/uploads/2023-03-03_14-35-53pscro.mp4

Have you uninstalled, rebooted, reinstalled to see if there is any change in behavior?

I asked about StartAllBack because you had mentioned it in Discord and we have noticed at times, just having it installed (but disabled) has caused some conflicts with Start11

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Reply #100 March 3, 2023 2:44:08 PM
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Quoting JosSli,
reply 98

How do you get beta 1.4.0.2 if you don't have Object Desktop?

Please see the very 1st post of this thread.

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