I can speak for myself on this one. Jim, Have have been a mentor and a huge help for many many, many years. I went back and checked, You were giving pointers and advice back in 2005. So don't you ever sit there and think that you are not appreciated! As you have have always told me, "skin for yourself". Also went i wanted to further explore DesktopX capabilities, You have always pointed me in the direction and i flew with it. I think that kinda spells it out. Love you Bud!