Please change salted pork to salted fish or meat

Quoting jwdR1,

Mmm, I wonder how many posters on this thread consider themselves tolerant.

The OP has an issue with the game having pork items. Heavenfall was kind enough to provide a reasonable solution to the problem. The OP can now make the salted pork, salted lamb, peanuts, or whatever. I would have expected the tolerant to leave it at that and respect another’s obviously deeply held beliefs. Instead we have 3 pages of folks ridiculing if not berating another for views they don't share.

Maybe Websters needs to update the definition of tolerance, it obviously doesn't mean what it used to.

Maybe we should all have a class on Tolerance. And we could talk about our feelings and sing Kumbiya around a camp fire.

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Quoting Heavenfall,

reply 66

Quoting Frogboy,
reply 58
Here's a sample of native language of Elemental (at least, the Amarian related people):

Once you understand that everything in the game is a translation, you can choose to have your characters eat whatever they'd like. They're not literally pigs or cows or fish.

Frogboy, please add True pork to the game as I cannot eat fake salted pork.

Ummmmm Pork. I think I'm going to have some thick pork chops tonight.

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I am vegetarian please make it salted cabbage

I am anthropophagian please make it salted human !

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Both Halal and the rules of Kashrut state it is fine to even eat pork if the other option is to die.

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Good gosh now we have religious types forcing their disturbing views in games--is no place free from their oppression?

I can see it now the fight in court the separation of Church and game.

I am sorry OP but i really dislike religious people like you.

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Quoting Bellack,

reply 71

I have never used any of the food or potions in the game. Even back in the WOM days. I'd just sell it. The only healing I used was from spells. So you don't really need to use Salted Pork to begin with.

What if you're playing somebody who doesn't have Life (Heal) or Death (Drain Life) magic?

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Quoting Trojasmic,

reply 82

Quoting Bellack,
reply 71
I have never used any of the food or potions in the game. Even back in the WOM days. I'd just sell it. The only healing I used was from spells. So you don't really need to use Salted Pork to begin with.

What if you're playing somebody who doesn't have Life (Heal) or Death (Drain Life) magic?

Well I either die or when the combat and sit in my city for a few turns. I was either buffing/debuffing an enemy or offensive spells at them no time for potions and the like. And when I first started playing WOM I did not know what the Salt pork was for because it was not labled so I sold it. And selling it became a habit even after I found out what it did. And to tell you the truth there was really no need for it. Either you overwelmed the bad guys or you were one or two shoted to death so no real time for healing. AS I said I did use some spell healing but it was rare in battle.

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Chibiabos

Join Date 02/2006

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I find anti-semitic remarks offensive, which includes hostile "I'm gonna be an ass because I hate you for your beliefs" remarks which I've seen several of in this thread and I'm not a Semite -- in fact, I'm an atheist.

However, I do find a demand or insistence that a game meant for everyone should censor itself to fit the tolerances of one group. If pork offends you to the point you cannot even fictionally portray your avatar consuming it, then the answer is simple: don't. What you choose for yourself to eat or refrain from eating is your own personal freedom. The fervent insistence that no one else should be allowed to vary from your beliefs is the motivation behind the world's atrocities -- its what drove the founder of the Lutheran church, for example, to write that all decent Christians should slaughter Jews and many objective historians ascribe as being a source for Hitler's anti-semitism. The Crusades, the Inquisition, the Conquistadores, the witch trials ... history is replete with the blood of innocents due to such intolerance.

Insisting the game makers remove X due to your religious beliefs is no different than, say, vegetarians remove all meat consumption from the game.

Insisting X be removed from a game because it is against your beliefs is unreasonably intolerant. That does not excuse, however, the counter-intolerances I've seen made in retribution to your original post.

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Quoting jwdR1,

reply 61

Mmm, I wonder how many posters on this thread consider themselves tolerant.

The OP has an issue with the game having pork items. Heavenfall was kind enough to provide a reasonable solution to the problem. The OP can now make the salted pork, salted lamb, peanuts, or whatever. I would have expected the tolerant to leave it at that and respect another’s obviously deeply held beliefs. Instead we have 3 pages of folks ridiculing if not berating another for views they don't share.

Maybe Websters needs to update the definition of tolerance, it obviously doesn't mean what it used to.

I never claimed to be tolerant of trolls, ignorance, or those who attempt to force their beliefs on me and others. I am actually very intolerant of all three of those.

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Kantok

Join Date 10/2007

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Quoting Darksomen,

reply 81

Good gosh now we have religious types forcing their disturbing views in games--is no place free from their oppression?

I can see it now the fight in court the separation of Church and game.

I am sorry OP but i really dislike religious people like you.

I'm one of those who think the OP's request is silly. But this is a bit of an overreaction I think.

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Quoting SD_Zebrafox,

reply 40

Then we have to pick a fruit, but what if someone is diabetic? So we need to pick a vegetable but make sure its one no one is allergic to!

Diabetes does not cause an allergic reaction. The pancreas is unable to produce the insulin required to process sugar in the bloodstream. This can be rectified through diet (for Type II Diabetes) or injection of insulin (for Type I Diabetes). This does not prohibit the intake of any type of food. Also I would note that diabetes is a medical condition, not a choice like the other examples being discussed.

This PSA brought to you by Stuie_. We now return to this otherwise non-sensical thread.

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Quoting Emperor_Nero,

reply 85

Quoting jwdR1, reply 61Mmm, I wonder how many posters on this thread consider themselves tolerant.

The OP has an issue with the game having pork items. Heavenfall was kind enough to provide a reasonable solution to the problem. The OP can now make the salted pork, salted lamb, peanuts, or whatever. I would have expected the tolerant to leave it at that and respect another’s obviously deeply held beliefs. Instead we have 3 pages of folks ridiculing if not berating another for views they don't share.

Maybe Websters needs to update the definition of tolerance, it obviously doesn't mean what it used to.

I never claimed to be tolerant of trolls, ignorance, or those who attempt to force their beliefs on me and others. I am actually very intolerant of all three of those.

I find hate too strong a word but i do dislike zealots of any religious stripe trying to force their views down other peoples throats. I do not believe in any religion but i do not go around telling them to quit their religion because it or something in it might offend me and i expect the same tolerance from the religious groups towards my views.

Edit: the quote was supposed to be from Chibiabos==sorry for confusion.

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Quoting dowdyhoody,

reply 76

I'm checking with the UN right now for any possibe violation of rights (of any kind) done by anything in the game to any other thing in the game. Still on hold..............

Still holding..............

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I think he meant that the fruit, having a lot of sugar, would be bad for diabetics. Not an allergic reaction, but to be fair, I didn't take too much time in reading any of it.

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I'm not allowed rape my slaves in this game which is unbiblical.

Hence this game is offensive to me.

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But being serious and pretending the OP isn't a troll.

In the world of elemental there is no covenant and no chosen people or prophet; noone is saved and noone is damned. Hence there is no injunction to avoid eating animals with certain shaped feet.

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I wonder if the Iru have any special rules about eating things. I can't remember from the novel.

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Quoting jwdR1,

reply 68

And from his perspective, it may be your opinion he/she considers ridiculous. So no, I don't see how this works, it seems an endless circle to me.

It's more about respecting for one another imo. Cultural differences aren't right or wrong, just different. Those differences can be appreciated and even accepted regardless of how ridiculous they might seem to me.

I can respect another culture. I can't respect another culture insisting that my culture conform to theirs. That's what I find ridiculous. It has absolutely nothing to do with his personal beliefs.

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@Chibiabos

The Crusades, the Inquisition, the Conquistadors, the witch trials ... history is replete with the blood of innocents due to such intolerance.

Don't leave out Stalin, Mao, and other 'atheists' which have as much or more blood on their hands.

The reality is that this attitude:

I never claimed to be tolerant of trolls, ignorance, or those who attempt to force their beliefs on me and others. I am actually very intolerant of all three of those.

is at the root of all that blood regardless of who's name the atrocities are committed under. Unfortunately that attitude affects all of us more than we care to admit.

the OP made a request not a demand...he even said please. Yes, it is an unreasonable request but no more so than some of the other requests that have been made on these forums. Yet because that request comes from religious convictions, it's deemed ok to ridicule. I commend Heavenfall for his initial response, his is one of the few posts here that show some respect for a fellow human.

Now I'm off to start a new game, and since I don't consider pork healthy, I think I'll have turkey now that I know how to edit the menu!

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I find no reason to be tolerant or change my behavior to appease the religious beliefs of others when they interfere with my life. Believe whatever the fuck you want, but don't ask me to pray, don't ask to change how I dress, don't ask me to not watch a movie, or read a book, or change a video game to appease your imaginary friend.

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If the OP is not a troll then he is a hypocrite and fails to properly understand the point of such rules in his own religious tenants. If what he posted is how he truly feels then he needs to uninstall the game. Failing to do so causes him to lose all credibility. He is definitely taking the letter of the law to the extreme on this particular matter and failing to understand the spirit of the law. He is failing to see the bigger picture.

The Jewish Sadducee and Pharisees of biblical times acted much like this while committing numerous sins, because they were able to make excuses about not breaking the law on various technicalities. However they would severely persecute those who they perceived to be directly offending the law. Of course those who pointed out such hypocrisy were stoned to death or they had the Roman occupiers crucify them.

On a side note:

Have you ever played with your toys as a kid and have your G.I. Joe's, legos, or whatever do make choices that you personally would not do? Did you not have villains and heroes playing out some crazy story you created as you went along? Isn't that the point of play, to experiment with decision making in an entertaining way that you yourself would never actually do most likely? To have dangerous experiences in a safe and non threatening way? To explore possibilities? Is the act of playing games really any different?

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MarvinKosh

Join Date 08/2005

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Well I'm no religious expert, so I will just say this. If it makes you feel any better, that salted pork is just ones and zeroes. As an in-game item you're free to mod it to suit your own particular preferences. Too bad we can't do the same so easily with real food.

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Quoting Lord Xia,

reply 96

I find no reason to be tolerant or change my behavior to appease the religious beliefs of others when they interfere with my life. Believe whatever the fuck you want, but don't ask me to pray, don't ask to change how I dress, don't ask me to not watch a movie, or read a book, or change a video game to appease your imaginary friend.

I'm sure Stardock is loving this thread since they plan on adding "religion" to the second expansion. "Faith" will be a new resource and they will call it Fallen Enchantress: Gods & Kings.

P.S. Xia, will you please wear jeans and a T-shirt for me?

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If you were serious about your religion you would have your characters behave completely immorally.

God doesn't exist (or make himself known) in these fantasy worlds so everyone would be utterly corrupt; with no prophet and no bible or quran there is no way to know right from wrong.

In fact you'd be blaspheming by behaving according to law in this game. Complaining about it means you are surely bound for hell.

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I'm guessing (hoping?) this is a joke? LOL

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