Quoting Stant123, reply 109
This is where your argument falls apart because you basically kill yourself with this comment. Pay attention to what is being said. Yes I can buy the ship and use it right away, but you can also spend no money and earn it in game. Your belief that I gained a benefit over you is false. All I gained was usage of a ship before you, which can happen if I put in more earning hours then you anyway. Keep arguing that it is an unfair advantage that I can do that because all I have to say is that it's unfair that you get to play for more then a few hours a week because all you have to do is go to school, eat, shit, and wipe your ass, whereas I have to go to work (I currently spend 4 hours on top of my normal work hours just driving to and from work because of traffic), pay my bills, raise my girls, spend time with my family at school functions and at home, compete with my girls for time on the computer (which I get very very little of these days), oh and go to school (job training), cook meals, eat, shit, and wipe my own ass as well. So just because I'm older and have a lot more responsibilities in life you think it's fair that you can put in 20 to 30 hours a week and earn things bigger and badder then me when there's no possible way I could do that? I'm a gamer, and to me, that's what's really unfair. I personally enjoy paying for a ship if I really want it and can't possibly spend the time trying to earn it in game. There is no such thing as an unfair advantage to paying real money to getting something that everyone else in the game can get for free. It is an advantage, but not an unfair one. Learn that lesson, son.
Sorry but my argument still stands. You are using faulty logic here. Your logic actually supports P2W because you want to be equal to people with more time by spending more $ which is basis of P2W. Only difference is that you for whatever reason don't want it called P2W.
BTW your logic is faulty because you are comparing apples and oranges. You cannot make comparisons between completely different factors. You are trying to compare yourself who don't have much time with a person who has a lot of time (not me) and then saying money makes you equal. What about comparing yourself with another who has equal time but less money? What about two people that have both a lot of time but one has more money?
What you are actually asking for is a legal shortcut, no different then you trying to race against Bolt at 100m but you pay to the race organizers that you start at 25m until end. It is only fair, he has more time to train and is much younger but you can pay for it. Why now?!
So what you're saying is ... any game that is multi-player is P2W ... ?!?! IF that is the case than what are you arguing about? I think you're just stirring the mud to stir the mud and troll around. If you want to have an argument about the definition of P2W or not, start a new thread, sheesh.
If you want to take it a step further, every single computer game / console game is play to win by your logic then you realize that right? For PC, if I have bought better components I can run my FPS or RTS smoother and therefore have better micromanagement possibility available to me simply because I purchased better equiptment that runs at 60fps instead of 25fps (which is near unplayable for these types of games). There you go, P2W simply by 'purchasing' better equipment.
Consoles you say? How can those be P2W? Have you tried to play a modern released game on a gen1 or even gen2 PS3? It's laggy as anything half the time because the system has less system resources, slower drives, etc. MAG on the PS3 gen1 is a joke, it stutters, it lags, it can't keep up and therefore you die as your shots don't register properly etc. The newest gen PS3? Runs circles around the gen1 with how it deals with the game. This is ESPECIALLY true for the gen1 X-Box 360 as well and the very very many variations, cooling designs which let the system run cooler and therefore more efficient. Have you seen what happens to graphics (onboard or cards) when it gets hot? It glitches more. Welcome to the world of gen1 xbox & ps3. So again ... purchase a newer better console to get a leg up on people in gaming. Consoles are P2W.
TorinReborn, all you are doing is trolling around and trying to muddle-up a thread so you can gloat over it. Quit being a troll and go somewhere else if you don't have anything constructive to say. If all you're going to do is argue for the sake of arguing over trivial things go start your own thread. I'm sure someone would be more than willing to argue back and forth and do the troll tango with you.