Quoting csebal, reply 21
Please ban that troll ^ above...thanks
First, you come here barking at us for discussing something that you do not care about. Then you throw insults around, calling people trolls and now you want to have me banned for participating in a (admittably kinda heated) discussion, whereas all you did was barging in here, like you owned the place and started issuing orders as if anyone should care what you want.
You, sir, should get your facts straight, as right now it is you acting a little out of order and not me.
See he's ^ still trolling. Please ban....thanks.
This forum should be about ELEMENTAL and ELEMENTAL ONLY not about that crappy sorry CIV V game nobody wants to hear about except trolls to this forum.
I'm sorry, but from where I'm sitting, you're the troll, you haven't added anything to this thread and are only being disruptive to a totally relevant discussion.
You are saying this is an Elemental board, and you are right. As such, comparing Elemental to the reigning "king" of TBS games (whether you like to admit it or not, Civ is THE 4x turn-based strategy game to beat) is most definitely completely, and totally relevant. Just b/c it's an Elemental forum doesn't mean people that post here have to put on blinders and ignore the rest of the world, even suggesting that is silly. Of course people are going to compare Elemental to other games, but especially Civ, as it's the most popular TBS series there is, and as long as people are being constructive, i.e. not just coming in and being all like "Civ 5 is the shznit, and Elemental is a steaming pile of poop", then I can't think of a better topic for an Elemental forum.
As for Civ 5...I got it the day it was released, the digital "Deluxe" edition no less, and I have to say that I am thoroughly enjoying it. I disagree with some of the design decisions, for example I think removing Religion, and to a much lesser degree Espionage, were mistakes, but overall I think it is a step forward for the series. It has definitely improved in it's presentation and accessibility, while retaining it's strategic depth, something not very easy to do imo. I also keep hearing people moaning about the AI and I really don't think it's that bad...well, the opponent AI is not terrible anyway, the ally AI is pretty retarded and makes some odd choices, but at higher difficulties the opponent AI does present some challenge (mainly b/c it cheats, so it's still not a great AI, just more difficult to beat). Yeah, the game does try to lead you by the hand a bit, but in no way plays the game for you, if you make bad choices you will pay for it. I don't know, I have to say that besides removing Religion and Espionage, they made all the right choices in design.
To compare Civ 5 and Elemental...well, even though they are both in the same genre, they are different games with different goals. Elemental is a HUGELY ambitious game that is overflowing with potential to be a truly epic game, it's just not there yet, it's not finished and needs more time to bake. That being said I am confident that given more time to iterate, Elemental will be an epic game that I can play for hours on end, but it's not there yet. Civ 5 is there now though(although admittedly the AI can use some work, but it always takes time for a really good AI) , and that's the biggest difference between the two. Now, if you take both games where they are right now, I have to say that Civ 5 is the better game, but I am more then willing to give Elemental more time and think that in time, Stardock can make Elemental into more then what Civ is.