TDN » Forum Post by Emplear

topics change. as debate over wether its Navy or Network.........you need to pull other sources from the game and lore to back up your reasoning for either or.............so its really not useless.

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Quoting C.I.,

reply 92

they don't have terms like battleship and carrier. they have fleet because thats what a group of spaceships with weapons have always been called. they're called fighters because they are exactly like fighters that we have today, they just work in space.

that doesn't mean we have to stick with the navy. that just means we have to stick to those two terms. why restrict ourselves? unless you have a reason....besides the one above.

Kol Battleship

Sova Carrier

Akkan Battlecruiser

Dunov Battlecruiser

Marza Dreadnought

these are naval terms. or most of them are.

Quoting eoncommander,

reply 94

i would think that any army/airforce/marine/naval (sea) force would be combined under one unbrella in a future with space travel, and that only a space navy would be separate, if not the leader of the whole military itself. names would be mixed, forgotten, remember, changed some more. just think about battleships. the term has only been in use for about 100 years, and already it is outdated and no longer in use.

you are right, network doesnt make much logical sense, but there is a little there, and it just sounds better than navy

bah, network sounds like skynet or NBC is trying to stop the onslaught.

and you cant roll them all into one force. it seems likely that planetary work would get pretty jumbled, but the marines will ALWAYS be your main assault force for planetary attack or ship to ship boarding operations. that is just their main pupose for existing. but any space faring military force is going to draw heavily from the airforce and the navy in terms of tactics, but the ships required to fill those roles will be referenced to the purpose of wet navy ships

i suggest the honorverse if you like science fiction.

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and you cant roll them all into one force. it seems likely that planetary work would get pretty jumbled, but the marines will ALWAYS be your main assault force for planetary attack or ship to ship boarding operations. that is just their main pupose for existing. but any space faring military force is going to draw heavily from the airforce and the navy in terms of tactics, but the ships required to fill those roles will be referenced to the purpose of wet navy ships

my theory was that the space navy would be so huge, that any planetary forces would be puny in comparison, and would have to combine in order to compete for resources with the navy. i do agree with the second half though

bah, network sounds like skynet or NBC is trying to stop the onslaught.

skynet was a military force.

speaking of which, how do we know that the navy/ships isnt/arent run by some skynet-like entity. obviously, some crew would be required (we know that every ship has a human crew from the manual), buteven today we are moving closer and closer to an unmanned military. hell, our greatest conventional weapon is probably the predator. in a few centuries, the whole thing could be automated. in which case network would definitely apply

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skynet was a self aware AI..........the terminators was a Military force. As much as the military wants to go unmanned....its still gonna have a guy behind the joystick to keep it from getting out of control. No amount of programming is going to give a robot human intuition or gut feelings. Which is essential in combat.

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my theory was that the space navy would be so huge, that any planetary forces would be puny in comparison, and would have to combine in order to compete for resources with the navy. i do agree with the second half though

this doesn't quite work out though either. if we assume that these ships are realy only carrying a few thousand crewmembers each (for capitals) then we are looking at a fleet that masses a few thousand people. the damage and weaponry available os so huge as to be worthless for precision atmosphere use. that means that you need smaller weapons on the ground. and more precise, with the ability to see and recognize danger and exceptions (hostiles vs civillians) that means that any occupying force is actually going to be much LARGER than a space faring navy. Nothing in space is going to match the ability of planets to support vast numbers of humans for long periods of time. especially if you have several terran planets under your control. that is billions to trillions of people.

skynet was a self aware AI..........the terminators was a Military force. As much as the military wants to go unmanned....its still gonna have a guy behind the joystick to keep it from getting out of control. No amount of programming is going to give a robot human intuition or gut feelings. Which is essential in combat.

agreed. computers can't strategize, nor sympathize. The AI in the game is a very basic AI, but it shows a part of the limitation of any computer based commander. An AI presently operates under guidelines and programming based around assumptions and game mechanic related facts. A computerized ship is going to be looking for identifiable tags, placemarkers, and signals. It will operate under the assumption of constants until something outside of its knowledge occurs. at which time it may identify it, or label it as an error. If the AI is advanced enough actually be proactive in the "inventing" department, then we are all screwed and it doesn't need people at all except as toys since we are generally fractious, definitely inefficient, and totally "squishable".

TEC would have auto loaders, and astro computers, and programmed responses into a ships computer, but it would still be some blood and guts captain and crew to make sure it pushed past limits to acheive goals, or created new tactics to beat situation.

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Also its not just the Marines that would be the main groundpounders. Marines of today are specialists. They are sent into handle smaller sized issues and use brute force to break the enemy morale. The bulk of any military ground force will be the Army. You think the only troops that island hopped in the Pacific during WW2 were Marines? Then your wrong, go look up the Army's 25th Infantry Division, The Army backed up the Marines and made sure the Operations in the Pacific was so successful. Marines dont have the manpower or even built to have manpower. While the Army Infantry and Marines Infantry vary little to their training. Marines are trained to be hell bent on achieving goals even when it means 3:1 odds against them. While the Army uses 3:1 odds to defeat their enemy. Always bringing more to the fight then the enemy. Neither Infantry(s) believe in routing, they both will push til the last man is standing. Also the Army specializes in Occupation, while the Marines specialize in teeth gritting trench to trench and house to house combat.

I agree the Marines would be the Navy's main fighting force. But I also believe that in the SINs Universe there would be a Air Defense Force (Air Force) for planetary aerial defense and a standing Army for holding planets newly brought under the TEC umbrella while Marines would strike the target planets alongside of the Army and then move on once the Planet is under control.

In the Game bombardment is the easiest way for the Devs to make the game simple enough to keep you interested. If you were to add in the Planetary warfare it take twice as long to win a single map. But if the SINs Universe was real youd see multibranch TEC forces.

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absolutely, i pointed this out earlier.

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did anyone else's forum page just go all screwy? i dont even know who made the last post. and its just this forum, i checked a bunch of others

but if the SINs universe was real, the navies would be quite a bit larger too. almost unfathomably huge. in fact, most of a planet's defenses would be based in space. the space navy would be the most important branch of the military, because ti alone could connect the various planets and it alone could easily wipe out the other branches

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yeah this one is all funky, i cant edit or quote or anything.

well, if this game were real, the maps would be huger, the distance also. the fact that now we have 50 planets around one sun is kind of off putting too. also the distance between ships would be massive, and the invisiblity at range due to vast distance and lack of FTL sensors.

big difference. i dont think we are ready for that yet...

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Temporary Defense Nation

Temporary Defensive Network/Navy

The TO just came into existence with the goal of weathering the present crisis and resuming normal life once the aliens and advent leave, so temporary works just as well as trader.

The TEC do seem to have some russian leanings in their ship designations though (Dunov, Akkan, Ogrov, Krosov) so who knows...

For all we know TDN simply means The Developer Needs and idea

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temporary might work, i guess. i still like trader defense network.

if SINs were real, it wouldnt bbe SINs. very little of it follows any real physics, but thats for a different thread

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I wasnt trying to argue what SINs would be like, just making note that in a real world things would be much different then the gameplay. I agree the Navy would be on the frontlines and the most called on as it would be needed to not only transport all other branches world to world..........but also its the true first line of defense from any threat. If the Navy falls surely the other branches wouldnt have a chance at surviving any true onslaught. And the Navy itself would be massive like said before. As well we'd see different structuring. The fleet compositions we create in game wouldnt look like what they would look like in real life.

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nope not at all.

but its a pretty sweet thought.

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wow i missed a lot. let's see if i can catch up.

Quoting 52500,

reply 102

these are naval terms. or most of them are.

im not denying that. I'm just saying you dont have to RESTRICT yourself to navy terms. not abolish them.

Quoting 52500,

reply 109

if this game were real,

we pretty much decided on this already, but ill reiterate it. sins isn't real, so there's no point in discussing what would happen in it if it was. or at least not in this thread. no relation at all.

Quoting eoncommander,

reply 111

temporary might work, i guess. i still like trader defense network.

if SINs were real, it wouldnt bbe SINs. very little of it follows any real physics, but thats for a different thread

as I said.

Quoting CaptainAanderson,

reply 110

Temporary Defense Nation

Temporary Defensive Network/Navy

i never thought of temporary thats a good idea.........but im still a Trader guy

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Tempary or Trade Deffence Navy still in my opion seems the most logical even after all the Discussions. Because even today with our limited space travel both Asto and Cosmo nauts both refere to a space Sailer and in all fiction I've come acrossed they refere to space trave in the Naval terms. And I would Imagion that over time the space sailer idea just like in all other space Science fiction would continue as a space Navy.

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Im still sticking with Trader........as its pretty obvious every human nation in recent history has used an abreviation of some sort with their countries name in it or hinting at what nation it is. USS, HMS, RFN, and HCMS all of those you can tell easily what they mean but HMCMS is probably the hardest...but ill spell it out for you His Most Christian Majesty's Ship (France) They also are known as FHS or HFIMS (His French Imperial Majesty Ship) And being that Trader was used in the original (well what the hell do you call a nation that is multi world and multi system??) name..Trade Order...........then again with Trader Emergency Coalition. Im going to go out on a very short limb here and guess the T in TDN stands for Trader...

The D is probably the most easiest to guess. What goes with military terms that would be used in a name? Defense.......

As for the N its going to be greatly debated because the only people who truely know the actual word are the Devs.......and apparently they are either with holding it for good reason or in some way (Apart of me likes to think this more then the other sometimes) they get a kick out of us debating over it maybe even betting on it.........not out of meanness but just out of good fun.

But Ima stick with Navy. Not because I want to restrict myself. But because I do enjoy RP while playing ingame, and after doing my time in the Military I always seem to pick out all the incorrect terms and tactics in movies and games that try to sum up life as a soldier or sailor etc etc which annoys me greatly. Instead of enjoying it I find myself constantly criticizing....annoying as hell......... So my logic tells me its more likely Navy then Network.........atleast if Im going to take it from a military standpoint.

That doesnt mean I dont think its possible for it to be Network. It is the future and it things change. So it is plausible....

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Quoting Emplear,

reply 115

Tempary or Trade Deffence Navy still in my opion seems the most logical even after all the Discussions. Because even today with our limited space travel both Asto and Cosmo nauts both refere to a space Sailer and in all fiction I've come acrossed they refere to space trave in the Naval terms. And I would Imagion that over time the space sailer idea just like in all other space Science fiction would continue as a space Navy.

we never said the branch of the military wouldnt be called "Navy." i think we are all in agreement on that. we disagree on what the initials stand for. USS doesnt have "navy" in it

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the most irritating explanation I can think of is 'The Developers kNow'

harpo

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USS might not have Navy in it but IJN as mentioned earlier does. Which proves its more then plausible that thats the meaning.

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Quoting Allegiance86,

reply 119

USS might not have Navy in it but IJN as mentioned earlier does. Which proves its more then plausible that thats the meaning.

why? according to what we have, there's a 50-50 chance that navy would be in it. and i could go on with titles w/out navy. hms being the most obvious

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more then plausible is just saying it has just as much a chance of it being the actual word as network.........wasnt saying it was MORE likely then the others.

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Quoting Allegiance86,

reply 121

more then plausible is just saying it has just as much a chance of it being the actual word as network.........wasnt saying it was MORE likely then the others.

ok. you made it sound as if it was more likely. my bad

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Well network/navy is everyone's own opinion. Until blair tells us! you know that it's gonna be something from far outa left field; our guesses won't come close.

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Quoting C.I.,

reply 123

Well network/navy is everyone's own opinion. Until blair tells us! you know that it's gonna be something from far outa left field; our guesses won't come close.

oh absolutely, we have no idea what it really stands for. but it sure is fun to debate

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I still say Trader Defense Network.

Everyone who's for Navy assumes it's just one branch.

What if TDN stands for one unified defense NETWORK that includes everything? Ships, Artillery, Infantry, Special Ops types, all of it... combined into one vast military NETWORK... as opposed to a branched military? If you think of it from a corporate mindset, having your military consist of various departments linked together as a single network with a unified chain of command - it just makes more sense.

Plus, the TEC haven't had time for their military to develope their own histories. History is an important part of what makes a military branch distinct from the rest, just ask any marine about the history of the United States Marine Corps, and get ready for an earful. Maybe over time the network could branch out and become separate entities, but at the start? Eh...

Also, I've always seen the TEC as more of a confederation, with their military being composed of what are basically extremely well armed/funded militias controlled by the varied members of the TEC, and networked together (Tondam Corp, et al), under the guidance of some sort of council (but still ultimately controlled by the sovereignty that created them).

Anyhoo, I feel like I'm repeating myself, but I'm too tired/sick/lazy to read back and see if I am.

I think I'm exiting this thread now... good luck, all.

Carry on the good fight, C.I.!

-Itharus

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