Why would they do research for what they wanted TDN to be! I don't need extensive knowledge of the military to make an opinion on Sins. America's Army would be a different story....but Sins needs little to NO knowledge about the military to run. You're basing your opinion on the fact that many things in Sins has to do with the Navy. No shit! As you said, countless sci-fi books base their spaceships on naval terminology. All the devs would have had to do to base certain aspects of their game with current militaristic terms was read a sci-fi book about space. They don't need research for that! Some things, like battleship and frigates and so forth, are used not because they're historically accurate, but because they provoke a response from the reader! (or gamer) When you think of frigate and cruiser, you think oh ok, I know what those words mean so I know that frigates will be weaker than cruisers. When you think of battleship, you think oh ok that word inspires complete kickass-ness, so that ship is going to be one of the best. They don't use those words cause they're historically accurate, they use those words so the reader/gamer has a background reference! Instead of frigate they could have used the word Archships (just a random word I pulled out of my head), but the gamer would have to read the individual descriptions of the ships to understand what's under that category, because that's not a common term. Using frigate and such helps the gamer understand the game easier, with less "new knowledge" that they would have to learn. Starbase? We know what a star is and how big they are, and we know what a base is, so we assume that a starbase is a pretty large structure that acts like a fortress. Orbital Destructors? That could have been used for starbase, but we don't know exactly what they would do from the name. So they orbit and unleash a lot of damage...but what are they? Hence starbase. You don't need to research shit to understand Sins. So why is TDN any different? Its pretty much universal that it begins with Trader Defense, because the TEC are traders, and they're defending their territory. Now navy or network.....watch how I'm not trying to shut down Navy. I'm just saying I like Network better, because to me it has a better ring to it. So you don't agree with me? Tough luck! I don't really care. I'm hear putting out my opinion, not shutting anyone else's down! If you don't agree with me, politely say so. And you have....origionally. Then we didn't conform to your belief so you turned into an asshole. Calm the fuck down allegiance! You say we argue that it's the future so we must be right. I say......no. We say it's the future, so you can't base your argument on the way things run now. We say why not network? It has the same chance as navy to be right. Just because something works one way now doesn't mean it works that way several millenia later. Now before you argue, let's think back to the 11th-12th century. The way things worked then....is it the same now? No? Why not? That's the way it happened then, so it must be the same now. That is essentially your argument allegiance. Again, calm down. We have the right to our opinion, you have the right to yours. We're not shutting you down, you're trying to shut us down. Can't we leave it at navy and network have 50-50 chances? Seriously....

IMO, since this has reached 252 replies, let's open up a thread petitioning the devs to tell us what it really stands for

Telephones Destroy Nature.

And your basing your opinion on the idea that because the game is watereddown the Devs did no research. Maybe when you come up with stuff you do little to no background checks on what your trying to convey. But I can guarantee you they didnt just read a scifi book. Ask any REAL scifi writer where they come up with ideas. And theyll tell you they do research on whats known in science to be real or whats not.

Im not even freaking out, SO YOU FUCKING CALM DOWN.

I post my opinion and give my reasons for it, and people attack it

 THATS WHY I RETORKED WITH ASSHOLE REMARKS. I DIDNT START THE ASSHOLERY. BUT I AM THE TYPE TO FUCKING END IT.

did they research the history of the word navy? Do you have any proof?

Do you have any proof they didnt research it C.I? Eon? No you dont. You just like the idea of everyone just Making shit up off the tops of their heads. I prefer to think the Devs are quite intelligent and would be responsible enough to research something before putting it out there.

Also Wikipedia isnt the godsend of collected information. The fact people can challenge a wiki page of info and have it deleted tells you theres a good chance something youve read on there wasnt true. And Tom Clancy is a ex serviceman He has knowledge of the Military, but even his information is Watereddown. Infact Tom Clancy is a perfect example of Research. He does his research then manipulates what he has found and changes it to better captivate his audience.

If you take a fictious book and use it as a reference to what the military is really like. Then your really outside the loop.

I read Tom Clancys EndWar, In it he had a Stryker Brigade, He got about 65% of it right, but in it he had a female driver. While their are female drivers in the Military. There are no female drivers driving an ICV (Infantry Carrier Vehicle) which is a Stryker Variant that is utilized in actual combat operations. Especially a female driving Combat Arms to a battle. The only time Ive seen Females outside of a base was running LogPac's Which is Supply Convoys. The most they have to worry about is an ambush, or more likely an IED.

Infantry Units that are assigned to Stryker Brigades offer up their own personell (Infantryman) to train up on the Strykers. They then sign for the Stryker and everything in it and stay with it until someone else trained on the vehicle takes over for them. Sometimes, when they dont have to proper number of people trained up on the vehicle theyll throw Infantryman that arent trained on the vehicle in it. (Ive been in that position) But they would never put a female on a vehicle meant to purposely go into the frey.

No my whole arguement is there is loads of Navy terminology used in SINs and I even went back and Researched anything I didnt know, I then attacked your stance of "Cause I want it to be" because thats not a legitimate arguement unless you are the devs. I told you to do some research, and it spiraled into did the devs do research. Lets not pretend like you havent done the same dance by asking me if I could prove something I asked you to prove first.

The reference to women does have merit, the point was that people who are well versed in the military termology and strategies/tactics who write about wars waterdown and change things so that the audience, the individuals reading the book will keep their eyes glued to the pages. It wasnt meant to hold light to SINs only to reference Well Known Authors that write about the Military and considering how much futuristic technology used in EndWar was alittle bit Scifi. It was also a response made by Eon who brought up Tom Clancy. The women was only to show how well versed authors waterdown real military lifestyle and culture to better captivate the target audience.

And I dont do the "Oh its this or that". I try my best to reference actual evidence and known military terms and structuring.

Also If you dont want me to attack you from a different direction, take your own advice. Please if you want to debate with me, obviously you do because you keep responding to my posts. Give me something more solid then speculation. I know its the future, but look at our society. It resembles a society established over 2000 years ago. Words and phrases are still used to day that can be found thousands of years ago. The point Im making with my arguement of the Military of today is that if we use terms, words, and phrases that have been around for thousands of years. Why would it be hard to believe a few thousand years in the future. The same terms, words, and phrases will still exist. Im willing to listen to any arguement that challenges the validity of Navy, but only if its going to show that someone put thought into it. And didnt just assume something because it sounds cool. When I first started debating. I took a good hard look at what others where thinking the N may be. The two I figured had the best chance? Navy and Network. The reason I lean towards Navy, is cause I have knowledge on Military lifestyle and culture. And I see very big indicators in the SINs Lore that make bring me to believe the Devs didnt just read a book and base everything they created off of that. The amount of military termnology used within the lore and ingame tells me they didnt bs when it came to getting things right. I cant even watch military movies anymore, because instead of enjoying them. Im looking for things that just doesnt fit into what its like to be in the military. The way they hold their weapons, the way they talk, act around each other. But thats not the point. I know SINs is watereddown. But at the same time its very obvious the Devs took a hard look at the military. Especially the Navy. Which now a days its not that hard to find any information on if you know where to look.

How does women come into connection with TDN?

The point there was that those who write up scifi and war stories. change small bits to add in attractivness to their stories. But not things so small that no one will notice. TDN is a passing thought.

Really TDN is so insignificant in the lore it has no attractiveness in wether its Navy or Network. The Devs arent going to change something that insignicant to grab for more capitvation. Youd see it in the storyline. Not something that only appears when you build a Capital.

And before you argue that this whole debate is the accumilation of captivation of the audience..take a good hard look at the fact only three people have really stuck with the debate. Thats not captivation. Thats just people who enjoy debating.

Let me ask you something....all those terms? do you not think at somepoint someone had to do the research on what classifies a frigate, battlecrusier, battleship?

If you look at the capabilities of those ships and then look at the ships ingame or in a scifi book youll notice the reasoning. Theres a direct link. Scifi writers who take their craft seriously arent going to put something in their book that insults the intelligence of their readers. They may change details like a characters gender which isnt huge its just to help tell the story. Creating a better connection with the characters. Making the characters more likable to the audience

TDN does not fit this. The players enjoyment of the game does not hinge on TDN being Navy or Network.

me neither! but this is a lot of fun. (hope we can still be friends allegiance!)

but back to the debate.

I don't need to do research, my argument is that no research is needed to understand what a "navy" is. (sure aint a whale) And all my dev stuff...well...who else would come up with what N means? those are very legitimate points. While we may both be doing this dance, I think I have more fun with it

As I said before, Sins is not a historically accurate game. Actual evidence and references do not add to your side of the debate (unless their lore/dev quotes, which we have all agreed are nonexistent on this topic). And Sins IS a story, albeit one filled with giganormous holes. Even if the devs were deciding between navy and network (it would be really funny if they had something like this debate among their staff), I believe they would have chosen network, for the reasons callen gave above. (give me a minute to find and quote them...)

there it is

Exactly.

No they know what it is! Let me finish this reply and then I'll find I think Blair's comment.

...And I think Callen summed up the rest well. Let's keep fighting the good fight! Network!!!

Ah, good eye C.I.  Forgot about that one.

As said before, you have nothing IN game to prove its Network. Its just an opinion based on the ominious idea of it being the future!

omg i thought this was over haha. and i believe i said before i hav nothing in game. nothing in game for navy either. dont quote frigate and cruiser and stuff. all sci-fi ships are called that. they do not all have navy in their name.

(ill continue to fight the good fight, but lets drop this please)

Bow to his majesty's noodly appendage!

it was my fault... im new to the game and found this, just dropped in my own comment.