Who else is wondering if the whole point of this post was to advertise Iobit.  I've never heard of em and they look like the type who'd use that kinda spam tactic.

 hehe ! The nearest I get to spam nowadays is this :

Thanks for the replies people .... sho' preeshyate it ! Wizards little tip did the trick .....  .. Cheers !

incidentally , why Iobit ? Fast , very fast for me , and cheap ( FREE ! ) and you cant get cheaper then that ... for what they do to help me keep my PC clean I would willingly pay for summat as EASY TO USE , TRUSTWORTHY AND FAST ...

WOW... That long ... don't time fly when you're having fun ? ?

I wouldn't.  I know better freeware.  Typically when techies have never heard of something, there's good reason for it.

*shrug* But you do whatever you like   I'm just cynical.  Gasp.

I don't know it's no good.  I know there are better options.  Which is what I said.

you do not need it. go to your run menu type in service go down to windows defender and turn it off so it does not load at start up if u have your own fire wall turn windows firewall off as well it will speed up start up time and free up cpu and ram one other thing running more than one antivirus and spyware utilitys on a comp will cause conflict and can cause program problems for u  . need one of each i use norton antivirous and orbit 360. i use spyware blaster for blocking tracking cookies and ad cookies that is all so here is the lowdown on just turning it off by its defalt that does not stop it from starting up when u turn on your comp and u will get that dog gone popup that says windows defender is turned off so just go to service and disable it u will not get any popups or any thing about it being off. so if u feel the need to run more than what is needed ony use those programs for what the others lack turn the rest of the programs other apps off on most antivirus and spyware apps u have the ability to turn off what u do not want or need.  the reason for this is if u run 2 antivirus programs real time protecion is compromized do to conflict with both apps. trying to do the same job at the same time it can slow down your comp or cause it to crash or heaven forbid even the blue screen of death due to conflict. so take my advice or not your choice. i build comps for gaming on the side for people so do not compromize your system if u do not want a lot of problems only use what is needed to keep your comp and privacy safe have a good day.

i thought you could/should not have two different anti-virus programs but that you could have multiple anit-spyware/malware programs.  Yes ti does make sense to not have them running in the background at the same time.

Norton is one of the WORSE things you can install on your computer.

Obviously you haven't heard Jafo's stories about Norton. As for myself I can't see paying for Norton or the updates when the free alternatives outscored Norton in recent tests. And those alternatives aren't as bloated...

Hopefully Mcafee as well.