Anyone remember Sins, and the "Pirates or no Pirates" debate.  They just added a toggle option: Pirates or Pirates Inactive.  I'm guessing they'll do the same in this case, or a "slider" as metioned above: AI replacement gives 100% 75%;50%;25%; No XP & Gold; No AI replacement.

But that could take a while, and I think we need a quick fix one way or another, and a basic "standard" for Skimish/Parth (like 50% less).  Anything other than an AI replacement that hands the enemy gold/XP like a 1990s bank handed out home morgages.  They'll never make an AI anywhere as good as a human, EVEN a human noob, because you can tell the human "don't take on 2v1" or "don't run into towers" or "stay behind us" and they may actually listen and learn.

Cause in MAJORITY of the cases the AI will be worse than a human player, and I have addressed that concern previously in the post.

But regardless, having a AI (of which offer no disadvantage) to take over teammate is BETTER than leaving the other team, whose teammate quit wasn't their control with NOTHING.

Human > AI > Nothing.

• Removing AI = not just giving them nothing, but removing a teamate from them - is a somewhat disadvantage to the team with quitter.
• Currently AI giving gold = a HUGE disadvantage to the team with quitter.
• Keeping AI without gold = 0.00001 very slight close to zero advantage to the team with quitter.

Now that's a clear choice.

Oh quit crying.   Just because someone believes your idea (well, annihilators...) isn't all that great doesn't mean you need to attack them.

Frankly I don't care.  The number of supporters of a proposals has no bearing in my eyes as to the value of the proposal.  And it shouldn't.  For example, how many people supported the stimulus (answer: lots!  not me though; just 'cuz someone says it would work wasn't enough for me... it was clearly ill-timed and ill-conceived).  DId it work?  No.

Because it's impossible someone's idea would be better than your own or what?  I mean, now who's being an unreasonable wanna-be prodigy?

I like how you say I'm being meticulous and reasonable and then act like I've ignored every comment you've made.  Also, ignoring every comment you've made is quite a huge exaggeration.  Apparently I need to reply to every sentence (annoying, but it's apparently what you need) or I'm "ignoring" people.  Frankly, you want me to comment on something, you ask my opinion of it.  I am not quoting every sentence of every person in this thread and giving my spin on it.  I will for you, at least now, since you are being particularly insistent upon it.

You are wrong.  I acknowledge it's a problem; I'll even acknowledge that its a significant problem at this time.  However, with all the changes that are on the way, I do not acknowledge that we know it will be a significant problem after these changes are deployed.  So let's worry about it then and decide if it is problem worth tackling or if there are more pressing issues.

It's easy for me to comprehend; it's hard for me to believe this is the most pressing problem that is stiffling the size of the community.  It's called triage.

I'm saying, if we are going to say HEY STARDOCK/GPG WE FIGURED OUT THE BEST SOLUTION DO THIS it shouldn't be a decision of "Yes this" or "no not this".  If someone says "I have a nail I want to drive into a wall; should I use a broken bottle or a shoe?" it takes a pretty ignorant community to consider ONLY these options rather than propose a better solution.  I'm looking for the hammer.  This isn't it.  Deal with it.

But thanks be to the one who thought outside the box to actually consider another solution and weigh the pros and cons vs. what is on the table.

Considering this threads been out for several days with no official comment, I don't think I'd hold my breath they plan to do much about it anyway, which clearly is fine by me at this time.

because you say so?    once again, who's the prodigy?  Get over yourself dude.

Oh, I directly asked you what points you wanted me to discuss.  Let me know specifically what feedback you are looking for, because clearly it wasn't in your last reply... i searched through every sentence...

Sure, stick whatever u like in Custom. Just add a slider with all the other options.

BUT!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep Pantheon pure.

No premades, no AI, no anything.

Humans v Humans, START the game with equal number of players on either side.

double post, sorry

I just want you guys to quit being so insistent that your solution is best when others are clearly better.... your stubborn-ness is holding up progress in this thread....

Good.  I look forward to hearing if pancakes will make a similarly wise decision. 

If the debate is now what the default value should be, I vote 100%... it makes sense that every demigod that dies should yield the same value, and its the default option at the moment anyway so it's what players expect.

Just so we're clear, are we expecting this slider to affect only AI fill-in's or AI players in general?

Be a shame if people got screwed in skirmish games by default.  As Sly said, I think the default should be 100% which puts all players, AI or otherwise, on equal footing and, yes, it's what players are already used to.

For what it's worth, I like this general concept.

Terrible idea because the AI will then become a suicide machine. This is a player vs. player game, and bots should not provide any advantage. If someone drops, tough luck, you should lose. Bots should not be altered to allow teams with fewer human players to win.

Double post. Forum went bonkered.

I suppose this will do.  My point this entire time has simply been that AI will always be exploitable.  I simply wanted a step in the direction of preserving fairness if at all possible.  Even if the frequency of player-drops decreases in the future due to the upcoming regulations being laid down, that doens't change the fact that when drops do occur, AI will stake take over - and they'll still be exploitable.  To put it simply, as someone mentioned above, the AI is so easily ganked.

So, a "slider" is fine with me as long as it allows me to decrease the gold/exp awarded from AI to anything less than what it is now.  That's basically what I've been asking for this entire time.  And, by the way, isn't this "slider" just a fancy way of conceding to what this topic has been proposing this entire time?  I mean, sure, people can leave the default to 100% gold/exp from AI, but regardless, the underlying issue is handled with the slider.  Why in the world did it take you so long to agree - albeit a stubborn agreement.  Or am I missing something?

On another note, I apologize Squash if I offended you earlier.  You just seemed so pompous, so I had to throw in my two cents.  I thought I was rather polite about it.

 - andpancakes

on board for my improved solution.  Good boy.  Perhaps edit your OP to convey that a better idea has arised from my dissention?

But it won't matter nearly as much because the frequency of disconnects will be lower.  So the overall value of developing/testing/rebalancing this type of change will be lessoned.  And, like I said, the OP was a hackish solution anyway.  We can do better, and at this point it's pretty clear that we have.

Yeah, and your device for doing so was a hack.  I cited it as being unintuitive and undocumented.  By making it an option, it becomes intuitive, versatile, and cleanly documented.  It is no longer a hack.

No. If you read my posts, you will find that, though in about 10 seconds of thinking about it I was able to devise a more robust solution than you and about 30 yes-men, I still do not support it's implementation at this time.  I feel we should wait until the 6-7 relevant fixes & features are implemented and reinvestigate the value of implementing such a thing at that time.  My wish to Santa Claus this year will be that I don't need to repeat this.

I just threw that solution out there to satiate those people who couldn't understand that the "real" solution is to fix the underlying issues that encourage rage quitting (thus propogating the unwanted AI's) and to improve the AI's themselves.  This solution is better; both you and Annihilator have conceded this, but I'm just throwing a bone to all you AI whiners out there.  Do you think I'm going to play my games with the slider at less than 100%?  Nope.  The nice thing about this solution is that all camps get what they want.  If you had your hackish solution implemented, then some camps would be disappointed.  The people who want no AI would have to deal.  The people who want 0 gold from AI would have to deal.  The people who want 100% gold from AI would have to deal.  This is the difference between a hack and a robust solution. 

Apology accepted.  I'm really a nice guy.    Heck, I'll probably even karma you and annihilator for being big enough to adopt my solution despite the stink you put up about it.
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Already covered with the 3 scenarios.  Read page 2+

You sure you want to be in this camp?  Not even the OP and the idea suggestor believe their original proposals are best anymore; they've adopted mine.  If you're gonna be a yes-man, get with the trends.

See my (direct) solution.