Siege VS Heavy

Using siege at all is LOL. Using them in combat is ROFLMAO. 

A siege frigates costs more than a heavy cruiser (something like 50% more) and uses more supply.  How you could consider it a coutner when you apply 3 to 1 ratio is beyond me.

I don't consider siege craft a counter. The unit reference chart say that siege frigrates are 150% effective against heavy.

edit: heavy cruisers are only 100% efective agisnt each other. I used 3 seige against 1 heavy cause the seige is a medium class ship and the heavy does 125% against it. To me it seems impossible for seige to be effective against heavy and I asked if anyone had any experience in using seige agianst heavies.

My test are oddly enough confirming that siege frigrates in large numbers own heavy frigrates.

Why does the unit reference list say that siege are 150% effective agginst heavy ships. That doesnt make sense are you sure it wasn't the other way around.

also dude I think your right about the advent and vasari siege though I don't think they even do more that 9 damage even if they both use the same type of weapon as there heavy cruisers do. The TEC siege uses a laser so there is no way thats even viable.

EDIT:: Lol I remeber back in 1.02 when spamming them was effective cause they we cheap and you could use them to fight other ships. But now that seems kinda stupid since they are price higher then heavy crusisers.

Siege frigates are very expensive - their hull and shields are low, their DPS is low and their fleet supply cost is astronomical. It's not a combat ship.

150% damage does not help it at all considering the base DPS values are so low and the fleet supply is so high. It's also very fragile for the cost.

Heavy Cruisers have Very Heavy armor.

Ok after further testing I can safely assume its confirmed that Siege frigrates are impossible as a viable counter to heavy cruisers. Cept I think there is some merit in investigating it further. I personally don't know why seige are effective in that sense any and just needed to make sure before I started devise any insane strategies using the ships.

@starhound your right they are too expesive but I have seen the advent seige vessel do some considerable damage when the weapons damage and rate of fire are upgraded its akin to having a very bad version of the crusader.

Maybe in a future expansion, update or whatever, seige frigrates will play a bigger role but for now that 150% does not make any sense since bombers and other heavy cruisers are event that effective.

The supply of seige frigate shoudl remains the same but their cost should be lowered. That way you still cant spam them because the supply it consume is large but their afordable should your lose your cap or need more planet killign power but not the resorces to build a 2nd cap.

Dunno I can't justify the 14 fleet supply for a siege frig. It's better to build a cap if you need more siege. Unless you're just finishing up someone who already lost and need your fleet elsewhere.

This.

It's important to note that even if they get 1.5x the damage, you still have to consider their base damage which will be getting the bonus, and whether or not they can take more than 2-3 shots.

Because at one point seige friagte toke little fleet supply and were cheap so they got spammed since 10 or 20 of them willt ake downa  planet quit rapidly. The state they are in right now is a nerf to stop the spamming however they migth have over nerfed it. Wich is why teh cost should be lowered but the fleet supply kept. And since they do badly in combat it means they will be afordable as 2nd hand planet bombers but useless as spams.

Hold

Hold on though You can upgrade a seige frigrate  so i can do 14 dps and with 1.5x damage thats still more that the bombers do right? Or do bombers do 200% now.

Wow are we still on this.

No bombers only do 100% damage and each individual bomber depending on race does about 3-5  starting with advent at 2.5 tec a 3.3 and vasari at 5.7.

a TEC seige frig at about 6.4 that can be upgrade to 11 dps a sec with 150% is stronger than 3 tec bombers. With just 2 unupgraded siege frigrates your stronger that one squadron of bombers against a heavy cruiser. An advent has 7 in a squadron of bombers so it would take 3 seige frigrate would be stronger than 1 squad of advent bombers and for vasari it would be about the same.

Mind you I'm still talking about unupgraded seige frigrates if they were upgrade all the way 1 seige frigrate would be enough to cover 1 squad of bombers for any race. As of now only for tec can building seige against building a carrier be the lease beit viable since the price is relatively the same. but with the carriers you can build 2 squads of bombers now so that renders the 2 seige useless. since 4 seige does not = 1 carrier in price.

The main problem is a Seige frig is like paper mache to the heavy cruiser averaging around 400 hp 2-3 armor and 200-300 shield. Seige for TEC and Advent is light while vasari one is medium and heavy cruisers 150% against light and 125% against medium. I don't really have to mention their superior dps and armor.

If the seige frig went throught an upgrade like what the carrier got maybe getting more hull points increased damage or lower prices it might be a credible threat to a heavy cruiser. as there is only 2 ships in the game that can handle heavy cruisers effectively that is other heavy cruisers and Bombers cause they are the only ships that manage to do 100% damage

Wth so are you saying if i was playing tec it would be worth my trouble to build 2 seige to kick an heavies ass than a squad of bombers....

and then 3 siege frigates to be more powerful than a squad of advent or vasari bombers.....

Hey SD and IC This game is broken! FIX PLEASE! Atleast lower the price of seige frigrates but keep the high fleet supply.

The flip side is that the siege frigs can be hit while the bombers cannot, plus even if the bombers could be hit, they can be rebuilt infinite amount of times for no cost.

On top of that it is 3-5 dps per bomber but u get multiplies of 3, 5, 7 meaning the damage per squadron is 17.1, 16.5, 17.5 which is even to 11 dps with the offset of armour is 17

Crap all this math is making my head hurt. don't the bombers have less efectiveness against the heavy then the seige though. Isn't that the most important part of the issue here. Wth is up with that.

You guys are new, siege frigates used to be not that expensive.  But they were never meant to fight other frigates, but rather plaents. The fact they have guns on the ship is purely ancedontal. As is the fact that all guns must have a damage type, and it so happens the damage type assigned to the siege frigates seems to be the one with a multiple vs heavy cruiser.  These things have nothing at all to do with the intended use of the siege frigates. 

Siege frigates had their price and supply increased, then patch later their healthy reduced because of legions of whinning single player players who kept whinning about geting attacked by fleets of siege ships controlled by the AI. So the end resault is we have a frigate that has almsot no use and it's hard to comit the research cost for the prototype with a straight face in any game where you are not shitting credits.

It should be enough that Sieges are expensive to make without taxing your fleet supply ridiculously.

They are fragile and expensive which makes it a risky strategy to use since a skilled player can scout them and destroy them. If Sieges would work in MP it would give Hangar Bays a reason to exist.

Ok this is the end

As other have said siege frigs will not work against heavy cruisers its like paper mache fighting a chainsaw. it cannot be done.

No more posty about the siegy