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Snowman
I.R. Brainiac
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Reply #51 August 19, 2008 7:31:57 PM
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hmmm...wow,um...thought about what to say long and hard...decided it was all pointless jibber jabber.It wouldnt change a thing.

I felt simultaneously insulted and shamed by the mods,but in the end just felt a dull disappointment.

Thats when it hit me...why should I care anymore?

So...no more arguing with retards,no more explaining myself,no more commenting(unless your a close friend or your work is exceptional),...just stay out of the forums and galleries.I'll go sit quietly in my corner and push some pixels.

Just one last question for the mods...where were the red flags when you saw that 3(or more)previously respectable skinners had suddenly gone mad and were so badly 'misbehaving'?You were quick to jump on the misbehavior but seemingly ignored the causes.All I got was "we see all,we know all".pffft


To those who understood what was happening and supported us...thank you.To the rest,so long,go with GOD and may your God go with you.
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Snowman
NightTrainthedark
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Reply #52 August 19, 2008 9:59:01 PM
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I.R.... I have thought about what I wanted to say since yesterday. Anything I come up with will get me a *chuckle* suspension of some sort. I support what you said 110%.

Since I have nothing positive to offer, I'll just skip that part and join you in the corner.

ummm not... I always can find something to say...

It sounds to me more like policing of peoples intelligence and lack of articulation. People are themselves and some are not as wise and articulate as some of you seem to think you are.

Ban me, remove my Master status,...I just don't care. After Andrew getting his panties out of order the other day I feel no passion to supporting the site anymore. Locking threads after calling people out is cowardly. Frogboy deleted a thread last week after making himself look like an ass, instaed of apologizing. If this is what WC has come to, I wish you all the best of everything. No hard feelings. It's time for me to move on where people can be themselves and not what you all want them to be.

sheep/ fanboys, that's all you really want here.
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yrag
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Reply #53 August 19, 2008 10:23:03 PM
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Between IR, V and NT going off the rails, not to mention Andrew's panties and Frogboy's ass, I must have missed a staff meeting or something 'cause I'm clueless as to WTF is going on......

At the risk of being overly simplistic.....all this is over a fucking comment?????
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lcmmngs313
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Reply #54 August 19, 2008 11:01:29 PM
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Hey v dont worry about all the crap others have to say your work is great and most of my downloads are yours so keep up the good work
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Snowman
Skinhit
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Reply #55 August 19, 2008 11:13:52 PM
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Between IR, V and NT going off the rails, not to mention Andrew's panties and Frogboy's ass, I must have missed a staff meeting or something 'cause I'm clueless as to WTF is going on......


Yea, I missed this as well. I wish I knew the facts. What I do know is that three people I really respect(NT, Vstyler and IR) are up in arms and I seriously doubt it's for naught.

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superman
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Reply #56 August 19, 2008 11:38:10 PM
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I never made a negative comment... Because everyone who skins gives his time and work for it. And every skinner will learn one day or another. Its just a matter of time. We should not post dirty words.
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Snowman
WebGizmos
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Reply #57 August 19, 2008 11:59:00 PM
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No...white-washing one's comments....to only leave the cutesy, positive is really not a viable/acceptable option.

There's absolutely no harm in anyone stating on a skin they do not like "I do not like this".

OK, if it also included '...because x is wrong and y is too green' it'd be a help, but opinion is opinion.


Wasn't suggesting white-washing comments to leave just cutesy positive ones....just the outright foul language ones with no constructive comment or even an attempt at one. Constructive criticism is one thing...that's not a problem...but crossing the line to foul mouthed ignorance is another.
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Snowman
TYCUS
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Reply #58 August 20, 2008 4:17:25 AM
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thank you for this thread Snowman.., was about time someone made it
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Reply #59 August 20, 2008 4:20:47 AM
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thank you for this thread Snowman.., was about time someone made it


The sad thing is Tycus....there will always be ignorant people that do this. This more than likely won't be the last thread on this subject.
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Snowman
DaveRI
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Reply #60 August 20, 2008 4:43:24 AM
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I'm staying the heck out of all this except for one thing I can't stand to ignore:

just stay out of the forums and galleries.I'll go sit quietly in my corner and push some pixels.



IR, I'd really rather you didn't do that, I like your support forum posts. Right now I can think of a recent one that was, well, pretty darned spectacular.
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kenwas
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Reply #61 August 20, 2008 6:13:26 AM
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You were quick to jump on the misbehavior but seemingly ignored the causes.All I got was "we see all,we know all".pffft


It is my view that the causes were never fully addressed in a definitive manner and that led to the frustration and "misbehavior". Even now, the conversation remains about forum etiquette rather than addressing the questions raised by IR, vstyler and others.

If a group of masters feel that something is amiss and needs correction, I view that as fulfillment of part of their role to advance and promote skinning to the highest level. It is unfortunate that the obbession with the needless language abuses on both sides have deprived the rest of the community from actually seeing these issues properly sorted and the integrity of the "best of skinning" upheld.

I too have stayed away from the forums to avoid this type of thing but I would feel quite disappointed in myself if I were to see folks such as IR, vstyler and NT depart or lose their status without comment.

Skinhit said it very well:
What I do know is that three people I really respect(NT, Vstyler and IR) are up in arms and I seriously doubt it's for naught.


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Reply #62 August 20, 2008 6:35:58 AM
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Just want to say i fully support IR, NT and V
I am far too new here to get involved in these things so im glad you guys have brought these issues up.
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Reply #63 August 20, 2008 6:47:43 AM
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I think a lot of you are missing the point.  It's not implying NOT to make comments, it's the harsh negativity that has been going on lately.  Does anyone here think comments like "this f@#@ing blows", or "why do you bother" are helpful and constructive?  This is what we are talking about.

If you have a criticism of a skin, BY ALL MEANS MAKE IT KNOWN without the insults.


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Reply #64 August 20, 2008 7:24:55 AM
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Just one last question for the mods...where were the red flags when you saw that 3(or more)previously respectable skinners had suddenly gone mad and were so badly 'misbehaving'?You were quick to jump on the misbehavior but seemingly ignored the causes.All I got was "we see all,we know all".pffft


Yes, we are quick to jump on the misbehavior before it gets more out of hand, and even worse than it was.  That is the immediately issue to take care of.  One of the "causes" is that people are resetting the skin dates for minor updates, that has been addressed with the moderators.  Much of this stuff is not for public consumption because it leads to flames and other issues that are not related with the problem at hand.


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kenwas
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Reply #65 August 20, 2008 7:43:01 AM
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One of the "causes" is that people are resetting the skin dates for minor updates, that has been addressed with the moderators. Much of this stuff is not for public consumption because it leads to flames and other issues that are not related with the problem at hand.


Fair enough!
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Reply #66 August 20, 2008 8:14:43 AM
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After Andrew getting his panties out of order the other day I feel no passion to supporting the site anymore. Locking threads after calling people out is cowardly. Frogboy deleted a thread last week after making himself look like an ass, instead of apologizing.


At the risk of being overly simplistic.....all this is over a ******* comment?????



Sorry guys I would like to answer here with good reason and respect to you and your problem. But my only answer is this...


We have to respect authority and those in control of it. It does no matter who we are and what we have done. Those people are in control and do what they see as right. Yes - We have the power to influence them to see what we want them too. But that is it! If they do not see it our way then they have a reason or just do not see it as we do. That makes it to where we have either done it wrong at trying to make our point or just did not get it done in a proper manner. Where they would listen to us. A lot of times when people are not in tune with you. They tend to tune you out.


Plus like Yrag has said "All this over a comment?"


Ok so it was and is that going to be something that takes us away from what is the real reason for all of this. That and/or that of what was done or said in another thread by those in authority?


I would say "I Hope Not!"


Please guys take a break - go have beer on me if that will help? We do not want to flame you or make you feel wrong or upsetting you in anyway. Just that it always takes more than what meets the eye to get some things done as you want.


We have a lot of respect for you and your status as members with the fact how much work is done by you. It would be really sad to see something happen because of whatever reason to you and what you do here for this community. Please give PEACE a chance the ole saying goes...


For one the whole thing is just not worth it and yes we do care a hell of lot.


I only ask one thing...


Try to keep things good without being in the bad flow of these things. Try to respect those in authority. Try to see it their way! And most of all... If you do not?... Then let it go and go on with life in general.


It is never worth it to lose things for something so little. There are greater things to be thought of and worked on. Try to just let it go for now and lets see what happens tomorrow.
It is always a better day - so they say it is. But we can try to make it that.


Believe me when I say it will be - please believe me! It will I tell ya so!!!


Respect is always hard and just give it a chance. We can and will work things out in the end. So wait and see with the same ways we had in the past. Not as you feel about it now.



Be there and lets keep going NT, IR, and V ! You guys are the best we do not want to lose any of you! OK!





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Snowman
Finhbar
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Reply #67 August 20, 2008 8:33:23 AM
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Does NT have a thing about sheep.... or does he just secretly wish that he was Welsh ???


(Just trying to inject some humour here guys)      
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Reply #68 August 20, 2008 11:41:35 AM
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[Comment removed by ID]

"This is exactly what this post was talking about "

No need to mince words...true skinners all know it.
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Reply #69 August 20, 2008 11:51:52 AM
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It is never worth it to lose things for something so little. There are greater things to be thought of and worked on. Try to just let it go for now and lets see what happens tomorrow.
It is always a better day - so they say it is. But we can try to make it that.


I hope that's possible, because this situation is really smelling bad.
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Snowman
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Reply #70 August 20, 2008 11:59:45 AM
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Goodness people. 

I really don't care about the feelings that one skinner has towards another.  Just keep it to yourselves unless there is a violation of rules in which it needs to be taken to PM with a moderator for investigation. 


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Reply #71 August 25, 2008 9:42:01 AM
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I really don't care about the feelings that one skinner has towards another. Just keep it to yourselves


Amen to that!
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Reply #72 August 25, 2008 10:39:56 AM
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A wise fellow once told me the following:

"People will forget what you SAY, but they will NEVER forget how you make them FEEL."

Positive and negative comments are simply that. If put politely, civilly quibbling about this or that might ensue, BUT: If foul language, name calling, imputing low motives or mean and spiteful things are said REMEMBER: People will be hurt: People who are someone's son or daughter, father or brother, mother or sister.

Please be CIVIL! I don't care how frustrated and angry you might be. Count to 100, take a chill pill, take a walk. WHATEVER! Just spare us being held prisoner to venting whatever problem got your knickers in a twist.

Whispers are listened to, shouts only heard. Honey attracts more than vinegar.

OK?
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