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We Need to CUT Spending!

We Need to CUT Spending!


This is the cry of most Republicans and some Democrats. It is time to stop making this generalized statement and take an HONEST look at the Federal Budget. To help with that please take a look at the following Web Site: www.thebudgetgraph.com . It will give you a very clear picture of just where the Federal Government is spending YOUR tax dollars.

I have looked at this issue as well at the major issues that face our country and will impact spending for the foreseeable future. The objective was to see just where the spending cuts can be made to solve the nation’s fiscal problems.

First we need to understand ALL Federal spending falls into one of two types. One is “mandatory spending” and the other is termed “discretionary spending”. Both types have been increasing at a fast pace. When we talk about cutting the budget we must understand the items which are mandatory are NOT subject to cutting without violating promises that have been made by the Government of the United States. The three biggest elements in this category are Interest on the National Debt, Medicare and Social Security. In round numbers that mandatory spending is about $2 Trillion Dollars per year.

The other category is discretionary spending and is made up of elements that CAN be cut without violating the promises made by our country. The amount of that type of spending is about $800 Billion per year. If you fail to look at what is included in that $800 Billion one can come to the conclusion we can solve our fiscal problems by simply cutting this discretionary spending. Now it is time to take a look at the budget graph I referenced.

You will see the largest element in that category which comprises more then half of discretionary spending is National Defense. Another large component is Homeland Security. Help for the poor for Food Stamps and Medicaid rounds out the major items. These three make up MOST of the discretionary spending.

Let’s take a look at the largest spending items within the budget and the prospect for cutting them in the future.

Mandatory Items:

Social Security- this will increase at a growing rate as the Baby Boomers retire which will start in February 2008.

Medicare – This will increase for the same reason as Social Security plus the addition of the Prescription Drug Program and the increasing cost of health care. This will increase far more then Social Security.

Interest – This will continue to increase so long as we add to the National Debt. The national debt on Sept 30, 2006 was $8.5 Trillion. The National Debt on September 30, 2007 was $9 Trillion. Despite the lie Bush told that the annual deficit was $168 Billion that actual amount we added to the total debt was $500 Billion in FY 2007. Go to the U.S. Treasury web site for the actual amounts to the penny.

Discretionary Items:

National Defense – That will increase substantially because of the increase in the Active Duty strength, pay increases and because of the replacement of most of the equipment for the ground forces.

VA- This will expand in a major way to pay for the injured veterans from the Iraq war.

Homeland Security - That will need to increase as we build the border fence and add the needed border guards. The new equipment and new ID cards and systems will also require added spending. The Coast Guard will see an increase in spending as will federal law enforcement and intelligence services.

Medicaid - As more and more people are becoming eligible and medical cost increase, the cost of this program will increase.

Pell Grants – The lower interest rates for student loans will increase the overall cost of this program.

Federal Road and Bridge maintenance – This will increase given the condition of the ageing roads and bridges.

The above are the areas that surely will require added spending. These items make up the BULK of the overall spending. When you look at the magnitude of these items it will not be a surprise that spending will continue to increase. I would like to have ANYONE provide specifics as to where and by how much the so called “spending cuts” can take place that will both balance the budget and then provide a REAL Surplus to be used to pay down the over $9 Trillion dollar national debt.


The time has passed for statements like - “the problem is our Spending”. We need to provide specifics areas and amounts where spending can be CUT to come up with the money needed to balance the budget and begin paying down the debt! I believe the chance of spending cuts solving our fiscal problems to be about the same as winning the Power Ball Lottery! Remember, mandatory spending is just that!
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Reply #126 Top

Cut Medicare benefits."

YOU ARE A STUPID IDIOT. Do you know what that would do to the retired in our country? GO live in some other country you ASS!

And so the real issue comes to a head doesn't it, Gene?

Why don't you go live in another country? As liberals like you point out, most of the modern world has a nanny state like this.  Why not go there?

Moreover, if people like me did go live in some other country, who would pay for medicare?  I put in over $40,000 into Medicare last year, Gene.  How much did you put in?

It's not my responsibility to pay for the health care of retired people. It's their responsibility.

Reply #127 Top



“Reply By: Gideon MacLeish Posted: Saturday, November 03, 2007
YOU ARE A STUPID IDIOT.


Man, COL, you give me cause to admire your mad debating skills!”


Statements like that demand a frank response. Anyone that would propose such a thing is irresponsible and so far out of touch with America that attempting to REASON with them is useless!
Reply #128 Top

Come on, man, if you're going to invite debate, could you PLEASE do so without putting everyone with an opposing view down as stupid?

I've debated people on many issues over a long period of time. Gene is almost certainly one of the least intelligent regular participants in debates I've ever encountered.

Most people who are at his intelligence level burn out quickly as the flaws in their positions are made available.

Gene simply ignores them. 

The reality is, people like Gene never have influence because, as liberals like to point out, it's really people like me that are in control.  And we have a threshold of how much water we'll carry for the parasitic class.  Even here on this site, Gene's ability to write his rants is predicated on the generosity of people like me. 

Since I produce the site, I have control. The same is true of society. The people who produce things ultimately have control in proportion to how much they produce.

Last year, 43 MILLION Americans paid not a single net cent in federal income taxes.  And yet, parasites like Gene would argue that I should pay more simply because, as a producer, I have more available to confiscate.

Gene and his ilk will never win because no matter how you slice it, the producers are always the ones with the power.  People who DO things will always have the advantage over people who simply WANT things.

Raise our income taxes and we simply terminate marginal employees.

Raise the Medicare tax and we'll move our money into investments and LLCs which don't go through payroll.

...And ultimately, if they find some perfect way to steal our earnings and we'll simply stop producing.

What Gene and his ilk don't get is that people like me don't have to work. I've long since passed the point of needing to work. I have more than enough comforts to live the lifestyle that Gene and his kind thing is "more than enough". 

But if I did stop working (and others like me) then the parasites of our society really would have to either starve or pull themselves up. 

Gene can cry all he wants about "fairness" but reality is that people who produce will always be the ones in control of their own destinies.  And that is true regardless of how much money you make -- if you produce, you are in control.

 

Reply #129 Top
Reply By: Draginol Posted: Saturday, November 03, 2007

Cut Medicare benefits."

YOU ARE A STUPID IDIOT. Do you know what that would do to the retired in our country? GO live in some other country you ASS!

And so the real issue comes to a head doesn't it, Gene?

Why don't you go live in another country? ( I support the people of this country and both worked and served my country. I have earned my rights and have compassion for those in our country that need to rely on the promises their government made to them). As liberals like you point out, most of the modern world has a nanny state like this. Why not go there?

Moreover, if people like me did go live in some other country, which would pay for Medicare? I put in over $40,000 into Medicare last year, Gene. How much did you put in?

It's not my responsibility to pay for the health care of retired people. It's their responsibility.

I tell you what-- You take your suggestion of "CUT MEDICARE" to the American People and I will take my position that we must keep the promises we have made to the retired and see which position most support! I worked my life paying taxes so people like your parents could receive their Social Security and Medicare. Now my wife and I are retired and I do not expect an idiot like you to say cut my benefits. I say again "you are a STUPID ASS."
Reply #130 Top

I have earned my rights and have compassion for those in our country that need to rely on the promises their government made to them).

There is nothing compassionate about supporting the theift of property of one citizen to be given to another person.

Compassion is not about beliefs. Compassion is about deeds.

tell you what-- You take your suggestion of "CUT MEDICARE" to the American People and I will take my position that we must keep the promises we have made to the retired and see which position most support! I worked my life paying taxes so people like your parents could receive their Social Security and Medicare. Now my wife and I are retired and I do not expect an idiot like you to say cut my benefits. I say again "you are a STUPID ASS."

I guess my question can be summed up as: Why should I care what you think about anything?

Gene, you're impotent.

You have no power. You have no influence. Your ability to rant is literally controlled by people like me. If not here on JU, then on other sites run by other producers. 

As I said before, I put in over $40k into the Medicare system last year.  I wouldn't be surprised to find out that that is more than you put into the system, even adjusted for inflation, than you put in throughout your lifetime. 

And again, if my Medicare costs got increased, I'd simply decrease my payroll income and put it into investments or other areas that bypass payroll taxes.  We all have thresholds.  If the government gets too greedy, they kill the golden goose.

Secondly, if Medicare is spending more than it is receiving, then obviously it is spending more than people have put in. 

Please, feel free to state how much you worked and put into medicare. Go ahead. Adjust for inflation. 

I would be more than happy to treat Medicare as a personal account.  Let people take out of it what they put in -- even adjusted for inflation.  Heck, adjusted for inflation +2% even. 

What happens is that people like you put a pittance into the system and then expect fully paid quadruple bypass surgeries.

It isn't the federal government's job (or promise) to provide lavish care for retired citizens simply because they paid token amounts into the system.

Reply #131 Top
Anyone that would propose such a thing is irresponsible and so far out of touch with America that attempting to REASON with them is useless!


You think Brad's out of touch? You keep telling me that I cannot live on the income that I make, that my wife should be in the workforce because of that, and that I need handouts from the government to survive. I'm the one LIVING the reality you pretend to care about, Gene!

If anyone is an idiot it is you. You lie through your teeth and then you call people names when they call you on it!
Reply #132 Top
Reply By: Draginol Posted: Saturday, November 03, 2007

I have earned my rights and have compassion for those in our country that need to rely on the promises their government made to them).

There is nothing compassionate about supporting the theft of property of one citizen to be given to another person.

Another stupid statement. Taxing income is not stealing anything.
Reply #133 Top
Reply By: Gideon MacLeish Posted: Saturday, November 03, 2007
Anyone that would propose such a thing is irresponsible and so far out of touch with America that attempting to REASON with them is useless!


You think Brad's out of touch? You keep telling me that I cannot live on the income that I make, that my wife should be in the workforce because of that, and that I need handouts from the government to survive. I'm the one LIVING the reality you pretend to care about, Gene!

You are nuts too. I never said anything about how you live. What I said is most Americans with incomes below $22,000 (Poverty level) can not support a family and I know that is correct!



Reply #134 Top
SHOW ME THE BODIES!

You know and I know there are not masses of dead and dying in the streets. That means many people CAN and DO live at that income level.

Supporting my initial assertion that you are a liar.
Reply #135 Top
What I said is most Americans with incomes below $22,000 (Poverty level) can not support a family and I know that is correct!


SHOW ME THE BODIES!

You know and I know there are not masses of dead and dying in the streets. That means many people CAN and DO live at that income level.

Supporting my initial assertion that you are a liar.


I believe that anyone can find a way to live on just about any amount of money, depending on HOW you live and the kinds of sacrifices you're willing to make. For example, a good friend of mine recently got a job all the way on the other side of the country, had no weels at the time and he couldn't afford a plane ticket AND the cost of shipping his stuff separately, so he went out and spent $ 300 to buy the most beat up sorry looking POS Jeep Cherokee (1980-something) that I ever did see. It was so rusted he half-seriously considered getting his tetnis shot, tires were bald so he scrounged around at the dump and found some that would make the trip. Some duct tape and elbow grease later and he was on the road, pulling off to the side to sleep (no hotels) and he cooked his food off the manifold too (not joking) So you can make it with small amounts of money it just depends on how wily you are.

With that said, if you're providing for an entire family on less than $ 22,000.0 a year you're essentially one disaster away from serious financial trouble, homelessness, bankruptcy etc. Sure you can do it if you're thrifty but the moment anything seriously bad happens- car breaks down, get sick and need health care, get laid off and the only job you can get is minimum wage gas jockey (still with bills and debts to pay) any number of things the only choice is to get into something like the payday loan racket. This pretty much insures that you will then become a debt slave with progressively larger amounts owing to various people and businesses as time goes forward! Go and scout out where the "Moneytree" branches are around your town.... you won't find very many in upscale suburbs and gated communities, that's for sure!
Reply #136 Top

With that said, if you're providing for an entire family on less than $ 22,000.0 a year you're essentially one disaster away from serious financial trouble, homelessness, bankruptcy etc. Sure you can do it if you're thrifty but the moment anything seriously bad happens- car breaks down, get sick and need health care, get laid off and the only job you can get is minimum wage gas jockey (still with bills and debts to pay) any number of things the only choice is to get into something like the payday loan racket. This pretty much insures that you will then become a debt slave with progressively larger amounts owing to various people and businesses as time goes forward! Go and scout out where the "Moneytree" branches are around your town.... you won't find very many in upscale suburbs and gated communities, that's for sure!

Probably not a good idea to go out and have a family if you only make $22,000 a year.

 

Reply #137 Top
You are nuts too. I never said anything about how you live. What I said is most Americans with incomes below $22,000 (Poverty level) can not support a family and I know that is correct!




sorry in general these are the people with the largest families.
Reply #138 Top
you see most people like brad spends most of his time running his company. and little with their families. meaning fewer kids. the people making less than 20,000 is spending most of their time with their families and less time at work. meaning more kids.


yes these are generalizations. as far as i know brad spends 6 hours at work and 12 hours with his family and has 8 kids. but i don't think so. he probable spends 12 hours at work on average and 6 hours with his family on average. oh and by the way gene. cols in the army make over 100,000 a year. what did you blow yours on.
Reply #139 Top

What I said is most Americans with incomes below $22,000 (Poverty level) can not support a family and I know that is correct!

And you know this how? What is your idea of support and a standard of living? 

Someone makes below $20,000, and we are supposed to support them?

 

Reply #140 Top

It should also be noted that Gene's definition of "stupid" is purely whether someone holds the same emotional values as he does.

There's nothing "stupid" or "not stupid" about what one thinks Medicare spending should be.

That's another reason why liberals are always confined to the kiddie table in the real world. Their emotions are what guide them rather than logic.

What I think is "stupid" is anyone who argues that "the rich" aren't paying enough income taxes while 40+ million Americans don't pay a cent in income taxes.

It's essentially like someone like Gene complaining that I'm not taking care of enough of his kids for him.  That is, ultimately, what we are talking about right? The productive class of society (the adults) taking care of the non-productive class (the 40+ million who pay nothing).

Reply #141 Top
(the 40+ million who pay nothing).



actually draginol that isn't exactly right. because you pass your taxes unto those of us who by your products. it isn't the owner of the house that pays the property tax it is the person who lives there through rent.

the taxes may not come directly from the 40 millions pocket but they do pay those taxes. and in the states that do have sales tax no one is exempt from those. but gene isn't smart enough to know that.
Reply #142 Top
Reply By: Gideon MacLeish Posted: Saturday, November 03, 2007
SHOW ME THE BODIES!

You know and I know there are not masses of dead and dying in the streets. That means many people CAN and DO live at that income level.

Supporting my initial assertion that you are a liar.

Children do not have to die to go to bed hungry of fail to receive medical care. For several years I served as President of a non profit agency that dealt with housing for low income families and seniors. I saw first hand how miserable a life many of the poor live. No they do not always die but the quality of their life is very POOR. Just keep denying the truth that the poor need help, RICH Man. Just like Jesus said in his parable of Lazarus.
Reply #143 Top
RICH Man.


OK, so if I push for legalized theft and I make about $30K, I'm a poor man that can't live off of what I'm making, yet if I make about $30K yet argue for elimination of the welfare state, I'm suddenly a rich man? Interesting double standard you have there!
Reply #144 Top
Put simply, Col, I AM one of those "pathetically poor" that you insist can't make it without government subsidies. Yet I have five home computers, a color TV, two vehicles, and my kids have three handheld game devices. I have a collection of over 100 DVD's, and over 500 CD's, and out pantry's always full. THAT'S what passes for "poor" in your book? Oh, yeah, and my family's TWICE the size of the average family!

The truth is, the reason most Americans don't eat right has NOTHING to do with their budget. It is, in fact, CHEAPER to eat right. EVer hear of GARDENING? Ever hear of MAKING YOUR OWN FOOD? There are a whole lot of ways to eat right on a budget, but instead of TEACHING people those things, you'd rather STEAL from those you perceive as RICH!

You tell us all what a great F%^$ing CHRISTIAN you are, what about "love thy neighbour", asshole? Did Jesus tell you you could pick and choose who you love? Huh? You use the Bible selectively because to you, the Bible means nothing. To you the only thing that means anything is your damned socialist ideology.

In a perfect world, you would be stripped of your commission and exposed for the traitor you are. This not being a perfect world, I'll settle for the people on JU seeing what a pathetic, impotent, hypocrite you are!
Reply #145 Top
Reply By: Gideon MacLeish Posted: Sunday, November 04, 2007
RICH Man.


OK, so if I push for legalized theft and I make about $30K, I'm a poor man that can't live off of what I'm making, yet if I make about $30K yet argue for elimination of the welfare state, I'm suddenly a rich man? Interesting double standard you have there!


I have no idea you financial situation but anyone making $30K that supports Bush and his policies is not thinking clearly! My use of the term Rich Man applies to the wealthy supporters of Bush that could care less about the poor. My income is in six figures but I believe we need to help people and families at the bottom of the ladder and need to meet the needs of Middle Income Americans i.e. living wage jobs. Bush IGNORES BOTH GROUPS!
Reply #146 Top
gee what does that make me


i am getting 627 a month.

i support bush over the democrats.
Reply #147 Top



In a perfect world, you would be stripped of your commission and exposed for the traitor you are. DON"T YOU DARE CALL ME A TRATOR. I served my country, helped the poor and never asked for help from anyone. I have compassion for those that need help and I would never send our military to their death for no good reason like Bush. He is the trador and you are not far from one if you support what he has done to our country!
Reply #148 Top
living wage jobs.


who pays for these wages.
Reply #149 Top
I have no idea you financial situation but anyone making $30K that supports Bush and his policies is not thinking clearly!


If you think I support Bush and his policies, Col, I want the grass you've been smoking!
Reply #150 Top
DON"T YOU DARE CALL ME A TRATOR. I served my country, helped the poor and never asked for help from anyone.


You spent the bulk of your time in a military that was FIGHTING Communists, now you want to bring them in the front door? That is what I call a traitor.