Er, lies?  I know nothing of this beta.

 

As far as I know, Brad hasn't even officially announced that he's working on it.

They have a second expansion for Fallen Enchantress to work on, and I presume GC3 won't be until at least after that.

 

https://forums.elementalgame.com/404765/page/3/ is a "Project Roadmap" for Stardock from the man ... err, frog himself.

 

I'm guessing GC3 might be built on Kumquat (the engine developed for WoM and FE).  'Game 2013' or 'Game 2014' could be GC3, but I doubt it, I know SD had to lay off after the WoM collapse and I imagine they've thrown everything and everyone at FE, and probably will for the next.  'Future RPG' I'm guessing is another Elemental game, not GC3.

But who knows?  Mebbe the frog has contracted with the Snathi to enslave some Tori in some deep dark underground dungeon to force them to make GC3 in sekrit all along and there will soon come a surprise announcement that GC3 is done and finished and launch as 1.0 tomorrow.

 

 

You don't enjoy GC2 anymore?  I still fire it up, especially when I'm out on my laptop which is probably too wussy for Elemental (haven't yet tried it though).

Well, Fallen Enchantress has a lot of the GalCiv feel to it.  In a good way, I mean.  It's a good stepping stone to try out new things and yet has a lot of the things I liked.  In its heart beats a fierce turn-based strategy game.  There are  different strategies and unit combinations you can try.

I'm always cursing myself for not getting out and founding more settlements because it makes things much more difficult when you're trying to fight back an opponent who has more resources and settlements.  It's like the colony rush in GalCiv all over again... again, in a good way.  I like that you can come back from being in such a difficult position.

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I hope you're mistaken.

 

I find FE to not be very compelling, fun, whatever and I'm not sure why they keep pushing on it so hard.

 

GC2 is one of the best space 4X.

 

I wish they'd stick with what they do well and do a GC3 instead of more FE stuff.

Thats a shame thats shes leaving but life moves on (and good luck btw) I would love to have a go playing gal civ 3 but do me a favour drop the spies.

I dont no the Yor for starters needs fixing

     I haven't played the game in quite a while; although I do think about it a lot.  However, I am discouraged by the current trade system, etc.  Logistics is presently a cake walk and barely affects the strategy of the game.  It's mostly about acquiring the biggest planets first and not about resources.

     In addition, tourism is automatic and not something the player truly sets up or manages.  You build a military empire for the most part; as your economic options are extremely limited.  Refueling is automatic; as long as you're within range of planet you can fly circles around it forever (at maximum distance).

     Don't get me wrong; it's a great game.  I just wish it had more of the elements of "Space Bucks" and "Outpost".

 

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I just want to see new stuff that is like Gc 2

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Granted, the Yor are pretty unique in that regard. However, I still don't understand why you called them "broken". Using the word "broken" implies, that the Yor don't work at all, which isn't the case, in my opinion.


Quoting michaelwhittaker, reply 20we do get 2 specialised wonders
Two? I already mentioned the DEM, but what is the other one?

r Hyper computers new or is it only a Yor trade good Hyperion logistics and Hyperion resupply I'm not to familiar with r they new

Quoting michaelwhittaker, reply 20how xomw aomw likw rhw
Beg your pardon?
Laptops r a strange breed my cursor keeps jumping around
Quoting michaelwhittaker, reply 20everyone gets units that build economics except the Yor
The Yor have access to Freighters too.

Don't get me wrong I'm not totally against freighters it's really not much of a economic boost compared to lets say stock markets on a number of planets U may get 3 that r pq 26

The Yor start with a +10% Econ bonus, and get another +45% from the Efficiency Studies techs, granting them a total bonus of +55%. This is the same amount you would get from researching the standard market techs up to Xeno Bank Construction (+15%) and running a Star Federation (+40%).

This is Assuming the governments r the only problem or that I might not get big planets considering that stock exchanges or the equivslent on big planets or the more probable that this is in conjuction with farms factories and research units not one per planet This by itself would not be as big of a problem but this leaves you to go another route where you got to use a population stratedgy with a bunch of small farms I will give u cheap untill U start reaserching researching the low population count farms forces u to build a lot of stalks not giving room to do much else this is a bit of a problem turning the Yor into the russians instead of the Silons

Charging Stalks are actually better than regular farms. Two Advanced Charging Stalks have the same output as one Intensive Farming and one Virtual Reality Center (6 Mt food, +40% morale), but cost less to build (300 < 800), and have a lower maintenance (4bc < 8bc). Sure, you need two more ACSs to reach a population of 20b, while the other races only need to build one more IF. However, they are still cheaper to maintain (8bc < 9bc), and provide a bigger morale bonus (+80% < +40%). In order to reach the same morale bonus, you would need to build another VRC, which just isn't cost effective.

This is pretty well dealt in the above response I looked it up but what I will compare to advanced charging stalks is advanced Xeno farms is because this is at the end of the Tech trees I guess I haven't played the Yor long enough to get to advanced charging stalks its not easy to research and while u do this u can't alleviate with market centers and effeciancy centers r only 1 per planet which is alright unless U get a big planet I guess u have to have patience to make this work

Generally speaking, you're right. The Yor are unlikely to reach the same income another race could generate. However, in my opinion, it's more important how well you use the money, than how much you have. If I am able to reach the same goal as you, while spending less money in the process, then does it really matter that your income is greater?

My goal is 1000Bc per week with an empire of 48 plantes with 1 factory on planets of pq 9 or less 2 factories for planets of pq 19-13 3 factories with planets of pq 14 adding 1 factory per 4 pqs abo tve that I know this can work with the Yor I did it years ago when I realised the Krynn can do better I've also done this with the Krynn and the Torians or the Terrans if U have a stradegy on how to do this please share I'm coming back to the game and I can't make it work.

Quoting michaelwhittaker, reply 20And if u don't have half of the wonders and your 2 wonders r not that good its just not fair
The Yor are missing two of the 15 standard GAs, seven of the 15 standard SPs, and three of the eleven TGs. That's about 30%. Not even close to the 50% you stated. Even if you ignore the TGs, it would still only be 30% of the GAs and SPs.

U get the point I was just guessing even though this is a big gap for someone who don't usually get all but two of them this is still missing 12 wonders this is a big deal I am still saying that they should've made up for this some how at least in other ways 

We could also say improving instead of broken

None of those are new. They've all been in the game since since GalCiv 1 (in one form or another). Everyone has access to the Hyperion Logistics and the Hyperion Resupply. Only the Drengin and Korath are missing access to the Hyper Computers.


Well, you said that the Yor don't have units that increase the economy. Freighters are the only units in the game that do this, and everyone has access to them. I was just correcting your mistake. As for freighters not being a good replacement for Stock Markets, you're right about that. Trade is pretty weak, even after the improvements Stardock made in that regard. Still, it's better than nothing.


You were lamenting the absence of governments in the Yor tech tree. I was just trying to clarify that you're not missing out on the econ bonus.


Why is that a problem? All the other races need high-PQ planets for their econ-worlds. The Yor are perfectly fine with low-PQ planets for that (PQ 10 is perfect for that). In fact, pretty much all Yor-planets are econ-worlds. Just use your high-PQ planets for whatever you need (research/manufacturing).


Advanced Xeno Farms are not that good compared to Intensive Farming. They only provide 1mt food more, but their maintenance is also 1bc higher. The tech cost is also exorbitant (4000rp), and the Food Distribution Center, the tech provides, is entirely pointless.


The tech cost for the ACS is 2000rp. 2100rp in total, if you take the cost for the regular CS into account too. Compare this to the 4000rp for the AXF (5100rp in total).


That's what I like about the Yor. You can't just use the same strategies from the other races, and hope they will aplly to the Yor too. Also, patience is a virtue.


If I haven't miscalculated, your gross income from taxes would be around 5.3k from that many planets (20b per planet, and a tax rate of 47%), if you took the +30% to econ, and the +20% to morale at the start of the game. Even more, if you manage to get a couple econ and morale resources. Your net income depends on your expenses (especially maintenance), but 1k is possible.

Still, take all this with a grain of salt. It's been a while since I played the vanilla game. I'm too used playing my mod by now. A net income of 1k is no problem there.


Why are you building that many factories on all your worlds? You are just wasting space and maintenance. Build them on your high-PQ worlds. This will speed up your ship production much more.


You're not missing out on much. In most cases, you could acquire those wonders by either trading/stealing the techs, or invading the world where someone has built them. Still, the Yor are not the only ones missing a good deal of those buildings. The Terrans and Arceans, for example, are the only two races in the game with access to the regular entertainment techs. This means, that they are the only ones with access to the Galactic Resort SP, and the TGs Ultra Spices, Gravity Accelerators, and Virtual Reality Modules.