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Anonymous Claims Crashing CIA Website, Stealing 46,000 Peoples’ Info and Now is Threatening Israel.

By on February 11, 2012 8:52:15 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

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Our wonderful patriots, Anonymous are claiming having taken down the CIA website (probably using malware infested bot computers) most likely with DNS attacks. Worse, they stole the names, addresses, email addresses, telephone numbers, and Social Security numbers of some 46,000 people from the State of Alabama website.

Well, I suppose it was to be expected. Now Anonymous has made another terroristic threat. This time the would be champion of the downtrodden has issued poorly veiled anti-Semitic threats using the old, hackneyed and fallacious references of the “Elders of Zion” variety (ruling the media, etc.) and vowed a “Crusade” (the historical Crusades involved the mass murder of Jews, among others) in three parts. The voice is disguised in the video released on Youtube. Very brave, Anonymous. Glad there’s software which reverses that.

The first – probably the old, boring DNS attacks/SQL injections to “remove Israel from the internet”. Step two “will be later disclosed and is already in initiation.” The third stage is unclear, but won’t stop until “the police state becomes a free state.”

“Step one will be initiated after the release of this video and will be comprised of systematically removing you from the internet. Step two will be later disclosed and is already in initiation; and, as for step three, well, think of this one as a present from Anonymous to you – we will not stop until the police state becomes a free state. We are Anonymous, we are legion, we do not forgive, we do not forget. Israeli government expect us.”

Well, in its usual overblown, doublespeak tradition, the aggressor is defined as the underdog and the attacked as the aggressor. With no knowledge of history or truth, they plan attacks on Israel which has done nothing to these self styled arbiters of justice. Further, they accuse Israel of planning a nuclear holocaust. One: It’s Iran that’s trying to get the bomb, stupid. Two: Do not steal the name of that which was perpetrated on the Jews and accuse them of trying to do that to others.

At any rate, I’m really hoping Israel and its newly created IDF Cyber Command hands Anonymous its butt, and ends up revealing who they are and causes their capture, and conviction. This time, they’re taking on folks the Technion (Israel’s M.I.T.) produced, and tech gurus like you wouldn’t believe. It’s not for no reason that MS, Apple, Intel and other high tech power houses chose to buy Israeli tech companies and open centers of development in Israel.

Oh yes, Anonymous. I have such fond hopes for you criminal Lochsley “wanna be”s.

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February 12, 2012 5:55:30 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

A what if ......

      What if Anonymous is really a collection of hand-picked personages given the job of planting misinformation on the web to distract the ordinary person from realizing their true nature. what if Anonymous is a clandestine 'agency' whose sole purpose is to lead the common folk away from the harsh reality of political machinations by staging these attacks, with the sanction of certain PTB's, gathering info planted by these certain PTB's to mislead the public and keep them ignorant of their true nature. This so-called true nature being one of supplying foreign powers with things they want to hear but not realizing that behind their back this 'agency' is really collecting the 'skeletons in the closet' for future reference or future leverage. I know its a stretch but the US isn't beneath such things.

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February 12, 2012 6:04:02 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Certainly it's possible.

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February 12, 2012 6:17:52 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Uvah,
A what if ......

      What if Anonymous is really a collection of hand-picked personages given the job of planting misinformation on the web to distract the ordinary person from realizing their true nature. what if Anonymous is a clandestine 'agency' whose sole purpose is to lead the common folk away from the harsh reality of political machinations by staging these attacks, with the sanction of certain PTB's, gathering info planted by these certain PTB's to mislead the public and keep them ignorant of their true nature. This so-called true nature being one of supplying foreign powers with things they want to hear but not realizing that behind their back this 'agency' is really collecting the 'skeletons in the closet' for future reference or future leverage. I know its a stretch but the US isn't beneath such things.

We will never know the truth. I think the Anonymous movement started as genuine movement, but it was more a part of popular culture than motivated by a political leaning. On paper it looked great because it would visualize movements under a common banner by basically having a completely "open" door-policy. And then that turned into a huge weakness, because as the movement grew, it attracted enemies or just people who saw an opportunity in operating from underneath their banner. Inherent in their design is a lack of ability to deal with such intruders.

More than ever, with an organization that lacks leadership, and lacks a specific political agenda (again, with the possible exception of anti-corporate-fascism) we need to be asking ourselves - where are these threats and actions REALLY coming from?

It may be ironic, but anonymous as a movement will probably end up depending on government law enforcement to root out the bad apples from their baskets. They have so far shown themselves utterly incapable of doing it themselves.

 

tl:dr; I think Anonymous may have been a benign movement from the start, but has today pretty much been hijacked by extremes due to its flawed design.

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February 12, 2012 6:32:50 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Couldn't agree more. Their lack of internal cohesion makes them prone to just about anyone wanting to jump on the bandwagon.

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February 12, 2012 7:53:19 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting JcRabbit,
However, this argument fails to take into account that we do not live in a true Democracy: we can only vote for those the political parties put before us, but, by the time those 'leaders' get into a position where they can be elected, they're already owing favors left and right. The system is corrupt from the root, and our democracy system is generally no different than a dance of the chairs.....Because our system makes sure an elected government stays there for at least 4 years, we can no longer undo what we did even though this guy got elected based on a blatant lie. Even if we could, chances are the replacement government would do exactly the same thing. They're all cats, after all, so they all cover each others backs.

Correct. We must remove money and improper influence from the system. We must also have accessible means to correct their actions: Not once every 2 or 4 years, either. Means not restricted by access only to other politicians: Legal, non-violent means.

 

Quoting Heavenfall,
Anonymous is today a tool that cannot be controlled, and thus can be blamed for anything. With no leadership and no dogma, there is nothing stopping anyone else from connecting what we consider "evil" traits to their... "organization". In other words, I am deeply suspicious of many of the activities that are undertaken in the name of Anonymous. They may well be paid for by those supposedly attacked.

Heavenfall, thanks for the explanation.

That I can agree in part with, but the 'paid for by those supposedly attacked' also while possible, less likely. Maybe I'm just not as suspicious as I should perphaps be.

And for Mr. Jorge... I proudly admit to being a primary source on WinStep and Stardock customizing software. I also admit to being totally, publicly, irrevocably (and shamelessly) addicted to both.

 

 

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February 13, 2012 3:29:25 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Quoting JcRabbit,
imaginary Weapons of Mass Destruction

My teacher was telling me that in his tour of Iraq, they found a few buried planes. No attached nukes, but nevertheless intentionally buried Iraqi planes. There was also a convoy of trucks seen going from Iraq to Iran. My teacher saw both things.

It would seem theres more truth to Bush's famous quote than the media has led us to believe.

And no, what with being the cause of the trade deficit, I am not necessarily a fan of Bush.

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February 13, 2012 3:38:42 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting JCD-Bionicman,
My teacher was telling me that in his tour of Iraq, they found a few buried planes. No attached nukes, but nevertheless intentionally buried Iraqi planes. There was also a convoy of trucks seen going from Iraq to Iran. My teacher saw both things.

It would seem theres more truth to Bush's famous quote than the media has led us to believe.

That means four fifths of eff-all other than your teacher has the gift of sight. [or more accurately....claims to be able to see].

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February 13, 2012 5:18:34 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

He wasnt the only person to see it, and actually theres an article about it somewhere (which ill now look for) so...

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February 13, 2012 5:52:47 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting JCD-Bionicman,
He wasnt the only person to see it, and actually theres an article about it somewhere (which ill now look for) so...

It's entirely possible 'he' read that article too. See, that convoy happened before the war. So, how did he 'see' it?

And buried jets? Sure... to make a quick getaway, most likely.

http://www.nysun.com/foreign/iraqs-wmd-secreted-in-syria-sada-says/26514/

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February 13, 2012 6:18:22 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Look, JCD, it's not the first time wars have been started based on lies, and, unfortunately, it won't be the last. Imagine this if you will, but a war was once started (and lots of people killed) just to *sell newspapers*.

Don't believe me? Look up the Maine incident in 1898, William R. Hearst, and the Spanish-American war.

I wonder if a time will come when we, as human beings, will finally refuse to be led to senseless wars motivated by the hidden agendas of our leaders.

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February 13, 2012 6:18:43 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Wow, the attack on the good guys...

... the little problem is that Israel was stealing from US nuclear stockpiles long time ago:

http://americanfreepress.net/?p=1876

And has a serious arsenal of nukes. Why is it okay for Israel to have nukes, and not okay for Iran? Israel has been committing atrocities against Palestinians in the Gaza strip for long time - retaliatory attacks against civilian buildings, violence against unarmed civilians, etc. 

Iran is the last defiant oil producing country that has been able to resist the western pressure and military conquest to control Middle Eastern oil supplies. Let us not forget that USA killed hundreds of thousands of civilians during the Iraq invasion, throwing the country into chaos and disrupting people's everyday life. 

Then it was Lybia, ravaged by militant groups armed, paid and supported by European and American influence. 

No wonder Iran wants nuclear weapons - it's the only safeguard against similar fate. So I would be careful before you call someone stupid, DrJBHL.

*edited -Moderation.

I personally believe that Israel and USA are the biggest threat now - USA is a de-facto bankrupted country (just see the debt-clock - 100% debt-to-GDP ratio, no way to even slow it down), with increasing social tensions and deepening oil dependency, and Israel, a factual US outpost in the oil-rich Middle East, unable to hold position in the long term on its own. The recent influx of fascist legislature (NDAA 2012, SOPA, PIPA, ACTA, etc.), growing tolerance to totalitarian practices like torture, it's all very alarming.

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February 13, 2012 6:36:07 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Kamamura_CZ,
Why is it okay for Israel to have nukes, and not okay for Iran?

While I would agree with that based solely on a fairness point of view, there is also that little fact that Iran was, not so long ago, being run by religious extremists who still have a great deal of power in that country. And while the Israelis are no innocent children either, at least they don't go around blowing themselves up - and everyone else in the vicinity, including women and children - every time someone says something they don't like about YHWH.

As for your comment regarding the US, unfortunately I tend to agree. The US had the world at their feet right after September 11th, and were looked at and respected by most of the world as the 'good guys' before that... until Bush decided to invade Iraq. After that, the US has been on a fascist path fueled by fear.

As Benjamin Franklin himself said, "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

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February 13, 2012 6:37:34 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

KamamuraCZ:

Let's try to keep it conceptual/non-personal...

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February 15, 2012 12:00:08 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Quoting DrJBHL,

It's entirely possible 'he' read that article too. See, that convoy happened before the war. So, how did he 'see' it?

I must have misunderstood what my teacher said.


And buried jets? Sure... to make a quick getaway, most likely.

What?

Anyways, as far as policing the ENTIRE world, yes, we need to not overextend ourselves, but as far as being in the middle east we are somewhat justified. As other countries rise the US falls. We need oil. As far as "killing civilians" goes, no, we didnt "kill civilians" they were simply casualities caused by both sides ignoramus (@Kamamura). You think our soldiers just go around shooting little tikes in the head or blowing off peoples limbs for the fun of it? No, dont send me that link your thinking of; the few dont define the many, the many define the many.

At best we are in the middle east to keep America's power above China, North Korea, Russia and everyone else, and if it means bringing civilization and democratic government to the liberated then what are we doing wrong?

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February 15, 2012 3:54:58 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Quoting JCD-Bionicman,


What?

Anyways, as far as policing the ENTIRE world, yes, we need to not overextend ourselves, but as far as being in the middle east we are somewhat justified. As other countries rise the US falls. We need oil. As far as "killing civilians" goes, no, we didnt "kill civilians" they were simply casualities caused by both sides ignoramus (@Kamamura). You think our soldiers just go around shooting little tikes in the head or blowing off peoples limbs for the fun of it? No, dont send me that link your thinking of; the few dont define the many, the many define the many.

At best we are in the middle east to keep America's power above China, North Korea, Russia and everyone else, and if it means bringing civilization and democratic government to the liberated then what are we doing wrong?

 

  .....

 

1.  'Policing' the world isn't working.  Need more evidence than that already before you?  A nation can only hope to 'police' their own; reaching into someone else's back pocket never ends well.

2.  No......no nation is and ever will be 'justified' in invading another other than to stop an aggressor if one nation (ie. WWII Germany) is intent on suppressing others by invading its neighbors.  Invasion for any other reason is about suppression and subversion nothing more.  Read some more history (world history that is) and you'll begin to see why that is.

3.  When a nation decides to invade another and civillians (as they invariably will) get killed this is a direct result of said invasion and nothing else.  Splitting hairs and suggesting "you think our soldiers go around shooting little tikes in the head etc. for fun....?.." is of no consequence; the civillian is still dead and in this case dead because a foreign power invaded.

4.  The few DO define the many.  Which is why we as a society must always endeavour to correct the actions of the few who threaten to skew the perception of the many.  If this is not the case, then why have the Islamic groups (non-violent religious groups) had such trouble convincing the world not all Islamists want US interests dead?

5.  Keeping America's power above that of other nations?  What are we in grade-school here?  My dad is bigger/stronger than yours.......

Also, if you still actually believe that the US is in any real position of power then you really do need to stop using CNN as your source of [reality] information.

6.  Lastly, you don't "bring civilization and democratic government to the liberated".  No one does.  Know why?  Because what works for one people/nation may not and in many cases will not work for others.  Of course knowing and understanding this means one has to learn something other than American history (which sadly so few americans actually do).  Many of these nations you think you could bring to heel to your "idea" of freedom, democrazy etc. simply don't have the sociatal structure necessary or capable of accepting such change.  For instance some of those middle-easterns nations have had feudal conflicts between family and/or religious factions dictating governing (and I use this term loosely) powers for centuries.  Who are you/we to suggest we know "the better way" for them to govern/live?

 

.....sigh

 

/end rant for the day!   

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February 15, 2012 4:33:24 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting JcRabbit,
Why is it okay for Israel to have nukes, and not okay for Iran?
While I would agree with that based solely on a fairness point of view, there is also that little fact that Iran was, not so long ago, being run by religious extremists who still have a great deal of power in that country.

Because Israel has no intention of eradicationg and exterminating another people. Israel does not and did not threaten Ahmadinajad nor the Ayatollas. He is an anti-Israeli and an antisemitic psychopath. He's been tolerated for too long.

There is no "fairness" involved here. Say you have a hunting rifle. Then so should a homicidal maniac: Hey, you're both human beings, right? Wrong: The criterion is safety and sanity. Israel developed the atom bomb because of the neighborhood it lives in: Or did all those Arab nations (and their armies, air forces, and paramilitaries) just vote to renounce their hatred of Israel and Jews and embrace peace? Must have missed that. Despite all existential threats, Israel has not used them. Amadinajad needs no 'existential threat'.

Should America have given Japan of 1941 or the Third Reich an atom bomb out of "fairness"? Ridiculous and suicidal. I have a major problem with an atom bomb in the hands of that psychopath.

Quoting JCD-Bionicman,
We need oil.

Sure we do. We, out of laziness have been addicted to oil and what's better than oil? Other people's oil.

Let's agree: Oil is as strategically necessary now as it was back in the '70's. Have we been serious about replacing it? No. Have we developed and explored for our own? We have plenty of oil. We chose not to develop and look for more. We even chose to decline a great deal with Canada, so please.... let's not suddenly panic.

Poor planning and execution on the part of the government is not an 'emergency' for anyone else until we make it one. So, we did nothing, and now the oil market belongs to China and India. More great strategic thinking and planning.

Honestly, did anyone really believe Rumsfeld when he said the war was due to WMD's and not oil? lol. As a result of that war, there's no real answer (local) to Iran.

And the newest story? Iran initiates its newest generation of centrifuges made there, and let no one kid you, they aren't for making medical isotopes. They are for enriching Uranium beyond 20%.

 

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February 15, 2012 5:02:18 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Because Israel has no intention of eradicationg and exterminating another people.

An amazingly ironic statement, considering Israel was first established by none other than eradicating and exterminating another people.

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February 15, 2012 5:11:04 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting tetleytea,
An amazingly ironic statement, considering Israel was first established by none other than eradicating and exterminating another people.

Is there a people on the planet who has NOT done that at some time in their history?

Irony can bite EVERYONE in the bum.....

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February 15, 2012 5:16:35 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Quoting the_Monk,



'Policing' the world isn't working.

No, our current foreign policy isnt working.

reaching into someone else's back pocket never ends well.

Your implying that America is stealing from other countries? How? Who? What are we stealing? We invade, set up democratic governments, and in return the people like us and so trade their goods. Thats not to say that its okay for our businesses to go overseas and exploit other countries, but that isnt a direct result of invasion. Its a separate problem that calls for regulation.

Invasion for any other reason [other than defense] is about suppression and subversion nothing more.

Ahh, but our being in the middle east is an act of defense. America always seeks a bigger stick, so as to be better equipped to negotiate and demand of other countries. By always being more powerful, we dont have to worry about defending ourselves because nations are too scared to defy us in the first place. It IS justified, so long as we american people make sure we elect the right politicians.

When a nation decides to invade another and civillians (as they invariably will) get killed this is a direct result of said invasion and nothing else.

Exactly; casualties happen. Military leaders (at least nowdays) are taught to minimize casualties as much as possible, but unfortunately such is the consequence of war: casualties. Its no different than when someone gets in an accident and kills some people. Yes there are reckless drivers, and drunk ones, but not all drivers that end up accidentally killing people deserve blame. Sometimes accidents just happen. As for the people that are reckless, they should be courmartialed which they are 99% of the time.

The few DO define the many.

I understand what your saying actually. The few CAN give a false pretense about the true definition of the many, but in the end the many do indeed truly define the many.

not all Islamists want US interests dead.

I realize that sometimes a few apples spoil the bunch (or vice versa), and at one time I would have agreed with you, but one must consider what islamists believe. Yes, not all islamists want to blow themselves up, but all islamists read the Qur'an, which all copies of openly mention and declare the constitution an abomination before God and [insert other freedom and america hating things]. There are some islamists that dont agree with everything in the Qur'an (regarding all the hate against america) and those people get cool points with me.

Keeping America's power above that of other nations?  What are we in grade-school here?  My dad is bigger/stronger than yours.

It has nothing to do with "oh I am powerful and better than you" and everything to do with bettering our nations strengths against people that want to see it fall by using the same methods of strengthening their nation (invading, occupying, negotiating (in other words foreign policy)).

Also, if you still actually believe that the US is in any real position of power then you really do need to stop using CNN as your source of [reality] information.

Even if America was in decline, it's definitely still the most powerful nation on earth.

Lastly, you don't "bring civilization and democratic government to the liberated".  No one does.  Know why?  Because what works for one people/nation may not and in many cases will not work for others.

This statement isnt necessarily false, but I dont like its implications. Granted there are certain situations the US should approach differently, and some they should back off of... anyways you got me here.

Anyways, dont think I like everything our government has done. I cling to tea party republican values, but am not satisfied with either party. Im for small government, yadayadayada.

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February 15, 2012 5:29:05 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting JCD-Bionicman,
but not all drivers that end up accidentally killing people deserve blame. Sometimes accidents just happen.

Wrong.

There is ALWAYS a reason for an 'accident'...so much so that the cutesy term 'accident' is simply to appease Joe Public.

It's why  'we' like to use the term 'culpable driving' instead of 'murder by car' or at least 'manslaughter by car'.

NEVER fool yourself that you are NOT to blame.

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February 15, 2012 6:20:17 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

 

By the way JCD-Bionicman, it is a HUGE pet peeve of mine to see people spelling the word "your" when they are implying the contraction for "you are".  Please, please spell it "you're" in the future.  Thanks!  

 

 

Quoting JCD-Bionicman,

Quoting the_Monk, reply 40

'Policing' the world isn't working.

No, our current foreign policy isnt working.

While it is correct that indeed your foreign policy isn't working; it is in fact the overall attitude of 'policing' [the world] which contributes to same.

Quoting JCD-Bionicman,

reaching into someone else's back pocket never ends well.

Your implying that America is stealing from other countries? How? Who? What are we stealing? We invade, set up democratic governments, and in return the people like us and so trade their goods. Thats not to say that its okay for our businesses to go overseas and exploit other countries, but that isnt a direct result of invasion. Its a separate problem that calls for regulation.

Actually I was implying nothing more than attempting to run someone else's life using subversive methods.  Of course since you opened this other can of worms.........no regulation will ever prevent or even begin to control conflict for the purposes of gain (whether it be social or economical).  Also, please refrain from referring to the installation of [puppet] governing bodies as 'democracy' it doesn't make your point very well.  Likewise, "the people like us and so trade their goods"?   Are you sure you're not just playing a video game and transferring said in-game 'diplomacy' onto real world interests?

Quoting JCD-Bionicman,

Invasion for any other reason [other than defense] is about suppression and subversion nothing more.

Ahh, but our being in the middle east is an act of defense. America always seeks a bigger stick, so as to be better equipped to negotiate and demand of other countries. By always being more powerful, we dont have to worry about defending ourselves because nations are too scared to defy us in the first place. It IS justified, so long as we american people make sure we elect the right politicians.

I did not say "other than defense" (what is the sense in quoting me if you EDIT my words?).  I said other than to stop an aggressor intent on suppression of neighbouring nations (i.e.. WW2 Germany).  Please tell me you understand the difference.  Using your example it might be wonderful for the US's defense to use Canada as a giant 'buffer zone' and maybe set up missile silos etc. within our borders so should we just 'be cool' with the fact that since doing so would serve the defense interests of the US and oh well....?

Violating the rest of the world's 'rights' in order to claim security for oneself is the epitome of self-interest.  Really no wonder the rest of the world feels the way it does with regard to the US with that kind of viewpoint.

Quoting JCD-Bionicman,

When a nation decides to invade another and civillians (as they invariably will) get killed this is a direct result of said invasion and nothing else.

Exactly; casualties happen. Military leaders (at least nowdays) are taught to minimize casualties as much as possible, but unfortunately such is the consequence of war: casualties. Its no different than when someone gets in an accident and kills some people. Yes there are reckless drivers, and drunk ones, but not all drivers that end up accidentally killing people deserve blame. Sometimes accidents just happen. As for the people that are reckless, they should be courmartialed which they are 99% of the time.

99% of the time the perpetrators of injustice against civilians in conflict operations are courtmartialed?  Where are these stats coming from.... ?!?

Quoting JCD-Bionicman,

The few DO define the many.

I understand what your saying actually. The few CAN give a false pretense about the true definition of the many, but in the end the many do indeed truly define the many.

It's not a 'false pre tense' if the many do not correct what the few are doing.  Which is why as I already stated....the few DO define the many.


Quoting JCD-Bionicman,

Keeping America's power above that of other nations?  What are we in grade-school here?  My dad is bigger/stronger than yours.

It has nothing to do with "oh I am powerful and better than you" and everything to do with bettering our nations strengths against people that want to see it fall by using the same methods of strengthening their nation (invading, occupying, negotiating (in other words foreign policy)).

Foreign policy is not a 'competition' and most certainly should never include words such as invading and/or occupying.     We canadians tend to see things such as education, healthcare and agricultural training resources that can help establish local government policy in under-privileged nations who ask for our help as our 'foreign policy'.  Invading and occupying nations isn't even on our radar.

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February 15, 2012 7:05:10 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting tetleytea,
Because Israel has no intention of eradicationg and exterminating another people.

An amazingly ironic statement, considering Israel was first established by none other than eradicating and exterminating another people.

Who? Who did Israel eradicate and exterminate?

 

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February 15, 2012 9:37:05 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Jafo,

There is ALWAYS a reason for an 'accident'...so much so that the cutesy term 'accident' is simply to appease Joe Public.

You are confusing cause with purpose. Every "accident" has a cause, but that does not mean it had a purpose (intention) and that is what makes it an accident.

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February 15, 2012 10:01:53 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Rishkith,
You are confusing cause with purpose. Every "accident" has a cause, but that does not mean it had a purpose (intention) and that is what makes it an accident.

No...I am NOT confusing anything at all.

It is no 'accident' if someone exceeds the safe traffic conditions through speed and/or inattention.

It is no 'accident' if the person responsible for the car's road-worthiness has failed to maintain it correctly.

It is SIMPLY DEFINED as an 'accident' so as not to LEGITIMATELY scare the fuck out of incompetent road users.

Vehicular collisions, be they with other cars and/or road furniture are ALWAYS caused by incompetence....sometimes it's even defined as 'criminal incompetence'....however, perhaps not nearly enough...or not sufficiently penalized.

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February 15, 2012 10:12:21 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

It has always been 'quaint' that on Motor Racing tickets there's a warning...."Motor Racing is dangerous....." as a disclaimer against [most] issues of culpability and responsibility for the safety of the public....

What'd be more clever would be a BIG NOTICE on receipt of your new driving licence....." There is a significant possibility that YOU will die, or be significantly injured while travelling in your motor vehicle, either by your own failing and/or that of other road users."

Probably would sober up one or two....

Maybe.

I am an FIM / FIA Observer for the MotoGP and Formula One... and it's my job to document/report 'accidents' and can safely say none of them is ACCIDENTAL, however often they can be UNAVOIDABLE for some of the 'participants'.

It all got a bit silly when the Police 'section' that investigated traffic collisions was called "The Accident Appreciation Squad".

I think perhaps someone finally realised how 'odd' that title really was.

"What do ya reckon, Davo....was that a good prang or what?.... Score out of 10?" ....

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