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By on November 29, 2011 1:07:18 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

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I've locked/archived this thread/blog and have started a new discussion over here:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/454943/

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Well, I started a thread  back in August (http://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

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Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906
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December 16, 2011 3:55:48 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

I've watched bob's live streams before - good stuff.  I also like the recorded dorian dailys.  Search youtube for deathcab4dorians.  He provides a lot of feedback based on what's currently going on with the state of the game.  He also just did a commentary on one saintvicious's jungle riven that was interesting as well.  Anyway, I highly recommend.  Good stuff, and its recorded so you can watch it whenever. 

Jungle Ahri sounds very interesting - I'd think you'd probably have to max her w with that... which I didn't find extremely effective anyway.  hmmm..

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December 16, 2011 6:46:24 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I was actually on Guardsman Bob's stream a few times last season.  I think that I won both times.  He is pretty good - the one game I remember he played lanewick (back when lanewick was OP), and I just could not gank him from the jungle.  It made me mad.  Luckily we won anyway since the rest of his team sucked.

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December 16, 2011 7:01:41 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Well, Ive retired from being a Skarner player. I just play well as a team with him. Makes me slightly sad. But its for the better.

Been playing Xerath like non stop. Really liking him alot. Mid with him is fun. Cat was the only one so far Ive had issues with. Not that Im a pro or anything, but I feel I do well. At least get close to the break even K/D ratio even in games we lose.

Been having issues killing people though. Not sure if its my build or what. But I can have issues finishing people. Getting better with him though.

I thinking alot of it as to do with the fact he not a popular choice. People just dont know how to fight him. With that said, I can see how it would be hard to do so...his range is long. Anyhow, I'd like to see how he does in a non pug game.

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December 16, 2011 7:13:15 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

I've seen Xerath dominate mid a few times now in ranked.  Played cautiously against a less than cautious team, he can rack up some serious kills in near absolute safety.  A few blown ganks in and the enemy Xerath ended up with like 8 kills before we finally got him, bottom was just getting trashed or we'd have been in serious trouble.  His range really lets him trash most typical opponents mid.  He's a rare pick, but he can be a force in ranked.  Get enough mana regeneration to keep him busy, and he doesn't need to leave anywhere near as soon as others would.

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December 17, 2011 11:16:09 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting -Ue_Carbon,
Been having issues killing people though. Not sure if its my build or what. But I can have issues finishing people. Getting better with him though.

If you are getting close to scoring kills but never completing, then I'd suggest getting ignite as a summoner spell.  With a character like him, its pretty much a shoe in for an early kill (even before level 6 if you use your flash as well).

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December 17, 2011 1:12:01 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Xerath is amazing, though I've found that anti-mage Kassadin just steamrolls over him.

Kassadin is possibly one of the most annoying champs ever, and the nerf of his ult didn't really do too much to stop him.

 

I'm pretty good with Kassadin, though I REALLY LIKE Cho'Gath, I can now run entire games without dying or getting ganked in top because of his survivability.

Recent Cho games

AP Cho: 8/0/10 win

AS Cho: 7/0/3 win

AP Cho: 4/1/6

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December 18, 2011 2:10:45 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Had a few fun games tonight with Pacov, Peter, Cow, Max, Thunder, and Raftina. Made a ton of bad calls in the last one but we came out with a win so I am happy ^.^ looking forward to playing some more.

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December 18, 2011 10:54:07 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Yeah, I was getting a little grouchy towards the end of the night.  Played a few pugs afterwards and went right back to having like a 80% favorable K/D ratio again

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December 18, 2011 11:17:49 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Props to urgot - just watched a stream of the EU West number 2 solo queue ladder leader MoMa playing as urgot in an extremely high level game against Wickd. 

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December 18, 2011 2:56:30 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Damn, wish I coulda seen that.  What do you think about my plan to let us play Urgot easier?

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December 18, 2011 4:26:53 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Yup - wickd got the crap kicked out of him that game... then I got to hear wickd's teammates insulting him and harassing him after the game.  heh... you'd think they'd turn off the stream.

 

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December 19, 2011 10:26:47 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Had some interesting ranked games last night. Overall they went well, went 4-2. My losses were due to horrible team comp. I really hate when people can only play one role in ranked and just pick that role no matter what other people have chosen...

My last game with Lux mid was probably the most fun. Was up against Kennen and dominated him. Had two blind snipes which I wish I had recorded. Just estimated where the low health person would run to and fired. Very satisfying. Went something like 8-2-12 or something.

I think a good Leblanc and Kassdin would be my only major worries mid. Otherwise, I find the buffs finally make Lux a pretty viable mid. Support Lux isn't much fun. She really needs the farm to be effective.

 

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December 19, 2011 11:21:00 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting AragornV,
I really hate when people can only play one role in ranked and just pick that role no matter what other people have chosen...

 

Yeah, I'm personally working on extending the roles that I can do...

Cho'Gath: Tank

Cho'Gath: Carry

Cho'Gath: Jungler

Kassadin: Assassin

 

Yep, not much else...

but the free rotation this week includes several champs I want to try:

Galio

Ezreal

Karma

Fiddlesticks

Rammus

 

I'll be busy this week, you can be sure!

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December 20, 2011 8:29:29 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

speaking of busy this week.... I get the feeling I'm going to be busy playing the old republic.  Loving it.  Think I'll be alternating between LoL and SWTOR quite a bit in the near future.  Gotta say, I love when they chose to release the game.  Very nice early Christmas gift.

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December 20, 2011 7:20:14 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

*Warning*

Hopefully I'm the only one who's experienced this bug but just in case I wanted to warn you guys about it.  The other night I was playing with my south east asian buddies and picked Amumu for jungling... and thought I picked the Amumu masteries.

Started the game with 515 in gold.  Had been fooling around with a utility build with extra starting gold for another champ and guessed I had left it on that accidentally so I had a nightmare game.

Next game made sure... and same thing.  So it got me thinking to a couple of horrible pug experiences jungling and just struggling through and having an "Ohhhh... fuck! Thats what was happening!" moment.  Then I'm thinking about all the times I've experimented with different masteries and now I'm wondering if some of them were even the right ones.  Or some of the horrible games I've had where things just felt off.  Maybe the really were.

Anyway just an FYI to people to keep an eye on there starting stats.  And don't accept game invites while you're messing with runes and masteries.  And restart LoL after you're done messing with masteries.

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December 22, 2011 9:20:52 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Yeah thunder I have had that bug numerous times...it is very annoying. Just got out of a hilarious match with peter. I will upload the image shortly.

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December 22, 2011 11:14:59 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

need to stop obsessing about SWTOR and get back to some LoL. 

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December 22, 2011 11:37:48 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Im looking forward to GW2 so no star wars for me. I hope you have fun with it though paco!

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December 28, 2011 10:25:53 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting OMG_Shiro,
Im looking forward to GW2 so no star wars for me. I hope you have fun with it though paco!

I'm having way too much fun with it.  Just thought I'd check in on this thread.  You folks still really active with LoL in the meantime?  Anything interesting going on?  I've been lost in the star wars universe for a couple weeks now and still haven't touched LoL.

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December 28, 2011 12:51:42 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Nah nothing really interesting has happened. The new champion looks amazing though and is set to release sometime this week.

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December 28, 2011 1:01:55 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Good stuff - I saw about us all getting some free RP as well.  Always nice.

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December 29, 2011 10:34:36 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Haven't been playing much over the holidays. The new champ Viktor sounds pretty cool. He should be released pretty soon as his champ spotlight has just been posted:

 

 

I got my free 450 RP and there is also a deal where if you buy RP you get a bonus 300 which I will probably take advantage of (haven't bought RP before)

 

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December 29, 2011 10:39:19 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting AragornV,
I got my free 450 RP and there is also a deal where if you buy RP you get a bonus 300 which I will probably take advantage of (haven't bought RP before)

yeah - i saw that as well.  Pretty decent deal if you just drop $5 or so.

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January 1, 2012 1:53:04 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Viktor is a bomb!

He's so annoying!

He can poke you for tons of damage and then follow up with a stun...

I have to use Kassadin ults to dodge his abilities, which isn't that much of a problem, unless he ults or just kills me outright...

ugggghh

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January 1, 2012 12:30:45 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

yeah - vicktor looks like a lot of fun to play - just checked out the spotlight video.

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