Is Queen of Thorns the weakest Demigod?

AlecThunder

Join Date 12/2009

Is Queen of Thorns the weakest Demigod?

I would like to know other players opinion if QoT is the weakest Demigod.

I play the Tournament on Hard, single player. She doesn't even scratch the Torchbearer, who has 10k HP, and does insane damage at crazy speeds. She doesn't even scratch Erebus. The DemonAssasin, same story. What is wrong?

I have priests lvl4, lots of good items. Switching between closed and open all the time, to resummon my dead shamblers and priests. The Ground Spikes do too little damage, the Spike wave also. Her standard attack (uproot) is lame. The looooong cooldowns prevent me from doing some real damage fast. Who knows a good late game build?

Late game, I have this skills:

Summon Shamblers 4 (maxed out)

Entourage 3 (Shamblers HP and Damage)

Bramble Shield 3

Ground Spikes 4 (maxed out)

Compost 3 (maxed out, HP and Damage upgrade)

Spike Wave 3 (maxed out)

I also have the best standard Armor + some Artifacts:

Bulwark of the Ages

Orb of Veiled Storms

Cloak of Flames

Bracelet of Rage

Thanks,

Alex

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Clarification of Reg being better by players of equal skill.

-If players are new, Reg is better because he is easier to use.
-If players know how the game mechanics work, QoT is all around better.
-If the player is good, I would say both are equally the weakest DGs. Both fail to scale well into the late game, and both don't have an interrupt.

Is that more satisfying?

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I think it depends of the role you are playing as Reg. I play him quite alot and always back up an UB, Rook, Erebus or Oak. Sniping in the bgeinning to soften up the target of the mentioned above mates and later then helping outr from behind with mines and focusing on one god. You need speed and attack speed over armor. That´s my experience and I don´t think that Reg is weak lategame, if played well.....

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Quoting The_Regicide,

reply 24

In a 3v3, QoT is great help because of AoE armor debuff, but she is neither extremely powerful in that scenario, nor unique.

Really two spitting ubs clash head to head with equal skill which would be most useful to that ub for support; A qot who will shield him and then aoe not just him; but whip out any enemy creeps around the two? Or a rage who will try and soften the ub up with sniping.

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Quoting synnworld,

reply 28

Quoting The_Regicide, reply 24In a 3v3, QoT is great help because of AoE armor debuff, but she is neither extremely powerful in that scenario, nor unique.
Really two spitting ubs clash head to head with equal skill which would be most useful to that ub for support; A qot who will shield him and then aoe not just him; but whip out any enemy creeps around the two? Or a rage who will try and soften the ub up with sniping.

Or a Reg that will drop 3 mines, a mark, autoattack and then a snipe when the other beast runs away? Better yet, they'll all be focused on the QoT anyway. She wont be able to move because she'll be under the beast snare, the mine snare, and the passive reg snare. The beast will take all of 10 seconds to wipe her out as ooze + mines will have killed off her pets anyway.

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Quoting Melric,

reply 29

Quoting synnworld, reply 28
Quoting The_Regicide, reply 24In a 3v3, QoT is great help because of AoE armor debuff, but she is neither extremely powerful in that scenario, nor unique.
Really two spitting ubs clash head to head with equal skill which would be most useful to that ub for support; A qot who will shield him and then aoe not just him; but whip out any enemy creeps around the two? Or a rage who will try and soften the ub up with sniping.
Or a Reg that will drop 3 mines, a mark, autoattack and then a snipe when the other beast runs away? Better yet, they'll all be focused on the QoT anyway. She wont be able to move because she'll be under the beast snare, the mine snare, and the passive reg snare. The beast will take all of 10 seconds to wipe her out as ooze + mines will have killed off her pets anyway.

Ok drop mines and then what? Hope the enemy ub walks over them? I pro player knows not to chase when he seen that minds have been dropped an will let a creep wave take them. Ok focus on qot and the spit ub and qot will focus on the reg....with mulch and a shield I bet the reg will die before qot will. And ofcourse theirs the fact queen of thorns is a general and will more then likely have priest healing the ub so hell; chances are reg will retreat long before qot will try to retreat.

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You know of course that queen is the best all around 1vs1 in the game? So Spit UB vs queen would result in easy victory for queen. You also know that queen becomes even better with teammates because of shield and spikes right?

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Quoting synnworld,

reply 30

Ok drop mines and then what? Hope the enemy ub walks over them? I pro player knows not to chase when he seen that minds have been dropped an will let a creep wave take them.

What pro player is not throwing them ON the enemy instead of in front of them? What pro player is not working with their teammates and grasping the player the second the mines come down so the enemy doesnt move past them? What pro player is not grasping when subject to an armor debuff to negate damage for a few seconds? Constantly shifting between forms to shield and AOE is just lost time that could be used for damage. Further, Reg can get in on every kill which equals lots of cash in the long run. Reg is by no means a great DG to have out there, but there are some redeming qualities.

This game has been out for how long? I find it really surprising that after all that time there is some mysterious build that no one knows about that all of a sudden makes QoT viable in a pro game. Queen needs help, not some defense of how good she is. I played a pro game the other day where someone used QoT. They got stomped once everyone got some levels under their belt. Sure, they held onto some lanes in the early game, but not enough to have the game decided before QoTs power just trailed off.

EDIT: This reminds me of the MMOs where someone drops hundreds of hours into the character class that is worthless for the endgame. That person spends all their time justifying how good their toon is, if only people knew how to play it.

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Quoting Melric,

reply 32

Quoting synnworld, reply 30

EDIT: This reminds me of the MMOs where someone drops hundreds of hours into the character class that is worthless for the endgame. That person spends all their time justifying how good their toon is, if only people knew how to play it.

I found it funny how people complain about demigods they don't even use

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Just one option... play me.

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Quoting lifekatana,

reply 34

Just one option... play me.

Or actually take the time to learn qot

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QoT is competitive on in a pro match? This coming from a guy who said "I don't play to win, I play to have fun" several times?

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Quoting The_Regicide,

reply 36

QoT is competitive on in a pro match? This coming from a guy who said "I don't play to win, I play to have fun" several times?

Oh then prove I don't play for fun. I mean since people seem to try and call me out on that when I discuss my favorite demigod then prove I am lying about playing for fun. Prove I don't enjoy playing pro games as much as noob games, prove QoT is not my most used demigod.

Edit: You for one can't prove it because you have never played with nor against me. Hell you probably only seen me once or twice with a modded game in the lobby and that is about it. So until you can prove it don't try and call me out on it.

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Why? I don't care. All I'm trying to say is that QoT is Less Able To Make Effective than the current T1 or T2 Demigods.

You, on the other hand, need to choose if you're playing QoT just for fun or on a competitive level.

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Quoting The_Regicide,

reply 38

Why? I don't care. All I'm trying to say is that QoT is Less Able To Make Effective than the current T1 or T2 Demigods.

You, on the other hand, need to choose if you're playing QoT just for fun or on a competitive level.

You don't care yet you bring it up? Yea that makes perfect since on mars or uranus; it isn't a matter of choice it is a matter of enjoyment. I simply enjoy playing the game and as her over most demigods. Why this is so hard for you to comprehend is amazing.

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As I said, I don't care. I just don't understand how can you claim she is competitively viable if you don't play her that way at all...

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continuing this is a waste of time.

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You're just fine with her, she's on par with rook and sedna(ie tier II)

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You're just bad with her, she's on par with rook and sedna(ie tier II)

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Quoting synnworld,

reply 33

I found it funny how people complain about demigods they don't even use

Yes, you must be one of only two people in the whole of DG that knows how to use QoT effectively. Oh wait, you have won less than 1 in 5 of your online games and you are only playing in noob games. How do you even have a clue what QoT does in a high level game? Even though I disagree with lifekatana, at least he has some legs to stand on. Stats are a bitch, aren't they?

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Quoting Melric,

reply 44

Quoting synnworld, reply 33
I found it funny how people complain about demigods they don't even use
Yes, you must be one of only two people in the whole of DG that knows how to use QoT effectively. Oh wait, you have won less than 1 in 5 of your online games and you are only playing in noob games. How do you even have a clue what QoT does in a high level game? Even though I disagree with lifekatana, at least he has some legs to stand on. Stats are a bitch, aren't they?

Yea broken stats are a bitch; unlike you I don't judge what a player can do by looking at some stats, but by what they actually do in game. But seeing how you don' I doubt you would even understand what I meant by that. The fact you even tried to use that as an argument against me shows me you know nothing.

Edit:But like I said continuing this is pointless; so do and think whatever you wish.

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Well I'm promising a guide that will wipe all these doubts from the face of the earth but I lack good replays to show it. So maybe you want to play me?

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To answer the OP question: no, QoT is not the weakest god, it´s Occulus !

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Quoting GeneralGonzo,

reply 47

To answer the OP question: no, QoT is not the weakest god, it´s Occulus !

Oc is a glass tank.

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You mean a glass cannon, right?

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Quoting The_Regicide,

reply 49

You mean a glass cannon, right?

Please excuse me I just opened my impulse and saw the demigod update. I haven't been in game any today so I know not if some people are talking about the original (The one we played with mod), or he has been released. (IF that is the case I need to do some tests.)

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