Thats not at all what the original post said. 'Hamlets' (wtf, this is a space game not a fantasy farming sim) are basically your population levels, level 1 being the colony, level 3 and 4 being cities and metropolis. I know you don't really see this visually, but come on, a little imagination people? Plus that would be tough to handle in real time. Its great for games like master of orion or civ or even heroes of might and magic where you can zoom into a city and check that its all merry and pretty and such, but seriously, that takes more than 2 seconds, which in rts is the amount of time you have for such details. I agree, it would be nice, but you can't do EVERYTHING in one game and make it work, you just cant.

Anyway, as you build up your planet the planet detail DOES reflect that the planet is busier with more ships flying around and more structures appearing. You have to zoom way in to really see it all, but isn't that what he was talking about?

I guess so. Its tough to properly identify those off the wall thoughts in the middle of a space based 4x forum thread. And because I really want to continue debating this hot topic, why don't you reply with another sound logical argument.

Alas, developers think that there is absolutely no demand for games like this, so they are almost never made, as well as the fact that it takes a lot processing power to have a game like that.


Hamlet just means small village, it has nothing to do with farming.

this is the ultimate hardcore 4x game for the people with a lot of imagination !

supports up to 9 AI players or a crowded room of hot-seat-madness

http://www.gamers.org/pub/games/uwp-uml/misc/world10.zip

a good ol' dos game called "world is mine"

All the dictionaries I looked at simply say small village with no reference to orchards at all. *shrug* The actual meaning of the word is just 'village' or 'home', so unless the meaning of a 700 year old word changed in the past 10 years...

Heh, yeah, that scale thing has always bothered me in Civ. Honestly, games where everything is pretty much to accurate scale are quite rare, Sins is rather unique in that regard.

That sounds like just a function of what game speed you have it on, you could always lower the game speed until you're hardly pressured at all.

That's sort of how I view sins in my mind, it's like the maximum game speed has been set really low, so that you have plenty of time (too much time) to make decisions. I always feel like it's 30 minutes of action spread out into a few hours, because of that, I generally play sins on 2x or 4x game speed (which rules out multiplayer entirely). For the record, I love 4x games and wish this game was more like them.

You are right, I've played 1000s of games in RoN online. It was great...

I knew someone would say Spore.

You'll have to forgive me here, my multiplayer is showing. I hadn't considered playing the game on a slow setting. In fact, the 'standard' speed in that game (in multiplayer) was the fastest speed, just as in Starcraft. It's a sort of convention that the RTS world has adopted in order to have ready-to-order games.

However, admittedly, RoN is really much less about strategic thinking than it is about click-spam when you get to high levels of play. A big reason being that, your opponent is not limited to a 'finite' number of attack vectors, whereas in Sins there is an easily countable number of paths and all gameplay revolves around filling in 'volume' much like in Go. Since in RoN and most other RTSs there is a 'continuous' playfield, the overall strategy of 'fronts' and 'positioning' (and therefore strategic retreating etc.) are of little importance compared to force size and research.

I also feel the need to mention that the magnitude of the two games affects the game speed. And that Sins is (at 'normal' game speeds) significantly slower than anything RoN can pull off.

But, like I said, your point still stands.

Other thoughts: Why cant games like SINS actually show real time population. I think it would be way cooler to be able to have like billions of people like we have right here on Earth.

Continuing on from my first thoughts, when starting the game you would start with 2 people (Population: 2) and you would start of in a place like a garden. Those people would be like Adam and Eve, and have lots of children. With them you would have a population of like, lets say 10. From then on, your population will go up exponentially and will expand/spread out to other regions.

You would need to accommodate shelter for them and they would need to build it from the resources nearby. At this time everything would be very simple and those wont be your real resources. Or as a matter of fact, the resources in the game would have to change as your planet advances and discovers new resources they can harvest, and as you stop wanting to use some.

I think that it would be awesome if you can choose your own resources to use and depending on that you will have a truely unique civilization. (eg. using stone for buildings until the modern age... and saving trees from being cut down to preserve forest and have nicer, green planet!)

I really think this should be real-time and not a turn-based game because of the ideas I have in mind wont work turn-based.

I have too many ideas and it is hard for me to spit them out all at once. Maybe when I'm older I can work on the game I want and release it as an indy game , of course if someone is currently making exactly what I want I'll be extremely happy

Also, I think I should start a thread on this, but maybe I will just post here since it has already started and seems like this has something to do with both RoN and SINS.

*EDIT: Hurray I have secured the last post for this thread!