Advent ships are weaker and more plentiful, period. Bombers suck against light units. Just use lots of units and fighters. That should get the job done.

Just team up with Vasari and have them use dark armada.   

Haha...easier said than done. I would like to see you try that against Huntingx. LOL!

Well, on the first one (Defense Vessels vs LRMs) I used TIME to produce. It takes equal time to produce those amount of ships. The other figures are just guestimates.

If you want me to test any scenario then let me know and I'll tell you the results.

Advent ships tend to be cheap. But TEC overall is slightly OP right now.

The lack of anti-medium is an issue. However, the Advent LRM equivalent (illuminator) is still the cost effective counter, when positioned right (so as to employ more than 1 beam).

It's an interesting match-up: positioned right, it's a hugely cost-effective counter. Position wrong, and it's not a counter.

Yes and no, somethings are cheaper yes. But the problem with the ship costs is the fact that the Advent are slow starters in all aspects of the game besides culture(which is completely useless). So even with cheaper ships a Advent player will still struggle with resources and fleet numbers due to not having a stable resource income. I think tier 3 is when you can get decent resource buffs and thats way to late, by that time its possible the enemy could of already wiped you out or take crucial planets need to develop your empire.

I've been playing advent since I got the game to get the full perspective of the faction. And I can say that they are underpowered. The problem is the inconsistent skill placements and the fact that their starting advantage (culture) has no desirable effect that makes them stand out from the other two factions. Offense wins the game, Advent doesn't have a consistent offense. If the faction is to become up to par with the TEC and Vasari a couple of things need to occur:

Culture will need to actually become useful. In its current form it makes a whole tree nearly useless for the advent since nearly half of the skills revolve around it.

Defense needs to become a viable strategy. With the way advent is designed, rushing is NOT a option. You will undoubtedly lose to Vasari and TEC forces due to superior income and superior initial military forces.

The skill trees need to be rearranged so they are progressive and not regressive. The problem with the Advent initially is a lot of the skills don't have any benefit that pushes you forward in the match. But rather puts you backwards due to spending resources on them. First tier skills need to be aggressive in nature since thats how matches start: You pushing forward. The Advent trees imo are horribly designed, they start out to passive and the game doesn't really support that type of gameplay. Even culture is a passive skill.

Just my thoughts.

Kruelgor, I demand that you stop creating posts you fool. You're actually spreading you're misinformation to newbs who happen to get paired with me.

He said "staggering" not stacking. And he's right, focus fire when the ship count gets so high means most of the skills are useless. A KOL rail gun shot is just like 0.5 seconds of focus fire later on. The repair rates of anything, repair bays included, don't mean much either when they drop in a second or two.

As to the topic, most of those tests were really one sided towards the cobalts, but the most important one was the cobalts vs. disciples and that wasn't weighted too much in either direction. Hes right though, there's no anti-medium for Advent yet, but when he has 70 cobalts you better start making heavy cruisers.

chasington:

actually I was assuming he did think they stacked, since he made 4 of them and wasnt referring to the staggering comment. If he wanted a carrier fleet with decent support one carrier cap+cruisers would be superior to 4 carrier caps(unless all were level 8+, which I doubt).

his cobalts vs disciples was weighted towards cobalts, since cost wise the cobalts were 110% of the disciples.

Conclusion for this thread
Pointless discussion if you read the 1.04 preview, which was posted before this thread. illuminators will be doing ~288% (maybe was 286% forgot) damage upon a focus fired cobalt in the next patch and have 20% more survivability vs cobalts in the next patch as I covered in the 1.04 thread.

On my 35 Illuminators vs 70 Cobalts, I moved the Illuminators in the middle of the Cobalt fleet to take advantage of the 3 beams. The Cobalts massacred the Illuminators and still had numerous ships left after the battle.

I test it out tonight, my assumption is that a capital ship will last about a minute against a massive fleet of Cobalts.