Ask a... TEC if he wants to life peacefully with a Vasari after they conquered dozens of their worlds... Or if an Advent wants to life peacefully with thos TEC's ...

Peace ha
Peace is for fary tales, War is the only answer.
Muhahahahahaha

To quote my friend Ian about the TEC exiling the Advent, "That's some major hatein'"

Disclaimer: OK, lots of musing here.

From a gameplay perspective I'd like there to be more victory conditions and certainly better/more diplomacy but total annihilation does make sense within the context of the lore.

The way I see it is that when you're playing, you're playing as a 'commander' of a small part of a greater whole. The TEC empire (around which most of the fighting is supposedly taking place) is much larger than 1 to 5 star systems so you're basically just a small cog in a greater machine.

However, while a ceasefire makes sense, would your superiors give you the option to create a peace treaty with the other empires? I would of thought not but then maybe the empires may have a very decentralised political structure.


Of course, gameplay > lore but I'm not sure how they could make peaceful victories make sense. In civ, you're playing over 6000+ years so a lot can change but in sins, you've got 3 empires that hate each other and really only desire to annihilate their enemies. For them to suddenly go, "Oh HAI, I don't mind that you just killed 20 billion of my citizens, lets make happy families", seems counter intuitive to me at best.


As to actual solutions, I think the problem is that there's really not very much to spend your resources/time on, you build an economy to produce more ships faster and you to tech to build better ships. War in Sins doesn't really have any drawbacks, i.e. in Civ, war is costly and getting stuck in a 200 year war will really slow down your development and you always have a lot of other civilizations to consider. In sins, the worst it'll do is piss your opponent off and make you the target of bounties and counter attacks.

Unless they're going to completely radicalise the game, I think it might be best for there to be more methods (i.e. ones not involving mass destruction) for the defeating your opponents but ultimately, victory being the same, destroy your opponent(s).

On the other hand, a lot is already there. For example , teching to super weapons can be considered similar to the space race of civilization. Only instead of winning outright, you get to use them and hey, that's fun.

Teching to Returning Armada may be considered by some as Sins' Technology Victory, but you still have to use the free ships to kill the enemy and actually win.

Just finished a large map scenerio 5v5 where there were only four of the original allies left at the end. All I wanted to do was break the alliance and attack the others to conquer all the systems for my own. Why would I want to waste a perfectly good fleet and production facilities now producing at top capacity? It seemed like such a waste of 15 hours of gameplay having to share the victory with others.

If you could win any other way, the game would be called "Virtues of a Solar Empire"

Yay i like war its fun.  even if there were more ways to win everyone would still go for the fight if anyone disagrees please quote me and say it to my face.






Supcom FA rules dude(no way of using diplomacy to win wars) 

Actually, that would be me... I'm much more interested in the non-combat aspects of strategy games than I am in the "war".

Quite a few "non-combat" victories are possible, even within the scope of the game's "everybody hates everybody else" setting.

These are a couple of ideas for technological victories, one for each group. They kind of suck, but oh well.

Advent: Through the player's industrious efforts, the Will of Unity is finally made manifest. The Vasari colony ships and TEC factories at last fall silent, as the minds of your enemies are overwhelmed by the sheer immensity of the fully-awakened force. The few who must the will to fight on are quickly defeated by those who were allies, or eventually snap under the constant psychic pressure.

Vasari: You need not run anymore. The Empire's struggle is finally at an end. Thanks to increased study on the workings of Phase-Space, you have discover the means to send entire colonies into lanes, and to stay there. It will not be an easy life, but you will adjust, just as you did to a migratory life. In time, you might build a new Dark Fleet, one larger than before, if it strikes your fancy. Should your enemies manage to survive against the enemy that one pursued you, perhaps they may yet find a place in your society, as they did in the past. Of course, after the long war they most likely will not be as "valued" as they once were...

TEC: With balance finally established in what was once a tumultuous economy, there is little doubt as to your victory. The war may not be finished yet, but already the enemies' citizens eagerly devour the goods produced on your worlds. With new, more defense-oriented, factories already in construction, it is only a matter of time before the enemy cannot sustain their attacks. You will, at least, win through attrition. After all, it will not be long before you control not just the flow of credits, but the flow of food, toys, and multimedia. Some of your enemies are already realizing this, as the occasional "new discoveries" into nanotech and the mind demonstrate.


I agree that there pretty much cannot be a cheery "galaxy peace" ending, but there it isn't that hard to figure out possible "peaceful" solutions.

I think I read a post some time back of a guy who won a game without shooting anyone. I'll try and find the thread.

WTF double post.

I could imagine a campaign ending peacefully if we're dealing with the same race, but when it's any of the three races against any other race, I don't really see a peaceful way out when you read the manual and watch the intro. Well, the Advent and the Vasari MIGHT find a peaceful solution.

The Advent hate the TEC for what they did in the past and want to exact their revenge on them either by annihilating the TEC or assimilating them to the Unity.

The Vasari are running from a bigger threat, and due to not being able to establish any real economy and infastructure, their only way is to take what they need by force and move on. Doubt they care much about neither the TEC or the Advent, they just need to bugger out before the big bad evil catches up.

On one hand, the TEC are caught up with their sins from the past haunting them, and on the other, the Vasari laying waste to their worlds as they go.

Why do people keep saying that? This is not a RTS, or a 4X, its a RT4X. Its an entirely new concept, and at this stage really more of an experiment than a full fledged game in my opinion.