FluxxTheGreat

Join Date 01/2007

Planet near your homeplanet

Why is it only pq4??

Ok, actually the only thing that really bugs the shit out of me, is the pq4 near your homeplanet.

K sometimes its a pq5, and in a rare circumstance 6.

But hell, it is totally useless. It always seems scripted so it never has any beneficial tiles, and it is a PQ4!!!

I seldomly colonize it immediately, but the fucked up thing is, your opponents do colonize it.

And therefor, you have to waste a colony ship. Because during colony rushes i try to shield opponents from my territory.

But why is it seriously only pq4? It doesnt make any sense imho. Pq7 would be at least worth colonizing, any1 else share that opinion with me?

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kryo

Join Date 05/2003

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I generally just ignore it--it'll culture flip soon enough if someone else grabs it. And if you really dislike it that much, you can mod it out of CustomPlanets.xml as well.

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Mystikmind

Join Date 06/2004

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Actually the planet is Mars... um i do believe Mars is significantly inhospitable and the game just reflects this fact.

As for the AI colonising it, well i do get the impression the AI is hellbent on colonising as deep up your assehole as it possibly can ignoring perfectly good worlds elsewhare.

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careful not to ignore that planet, sometimes it could be terreformed to be a pretty good one.

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sometimes it could be terreformed to be a pretty good one

In Dark Avatar, yes - sometimes they can become fairly desirable. In Dark lords, not so much, but in both games they will culture flip fairly soon, even if the Yor have grabbed them, so it's not that big of a deal.

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But hell, it is totally useless. It always seems scripted so it never has any beneficial tiles, and it is a PQ4!!!

I get bonus tiles on mine about 50% of the time (almost always farm bonuses).

I like having it there. I usually build a starport on it, then I just buy the ships from it and use them to shore up the defenses of my home world.

It doesn't really make sense that there would be a better world then the homeworld. It seems like sentient life would evolve on the world most capable of supporting it (yes, I realize that there might have been some cataclysm on that better planet that set them back and allowed the other to catch up, but I would still argue that the better world is the most likely one to support advanced life).

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Just Culture flip it once theyve built it up for you! Im with you on the sheilding thing tho, i like having them unable to get to me!

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Its the first planet I grab in Dark Avatar... it's only a PQ4, sure, but it's been made ABSURDLY terraformable. Each tech gies you three new tiles to play with... once you get the final terraforming tech, you can have a PQ 13 planet sitting by your homeworld, usually built with a considerable number of factories!

Needless to say, they're highly valuable in DA.

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Yea in DL, (because I'm a poor ass and couldnt get anough money for the beta in time im still playing DL

) there prittymuch worthless... Mars has no upgradable area's normaly... sucks... hard... glad its been made usefull finaly!

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Yeah I am glad that they made changes as well, but as it was also stated earlier, I think it was made that way originally for a reason. Maybe to Try and even out all the starting civilizations home systems while at the same time making you find more powerful systems elsewhere? That would be my guess anyway.

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quote: "Its the first planet I grab in Dark Avatar... it's only a PQ4, sure, but it's been made ABSURDLY terraformable"

In my DA games I very often find PQ4 planets that have 5(!) upgradable tiles for each terraform tech. I admittedly customise my race to have a 10% extra PQ bonus but still, is this in the developers' intentions?

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As a fix for this problem you could pay as the Thalans or Korx. The Thalan's have a class 15 homeworld and nothing else while the Korx's is a class 8. If it really bugs you that much you could use one of these. Or you could design your own race and they don't get a small planet near by.

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I like having it there. I usually build a starport on it, then I just buy the ships from it and use them to shore up the defenses of my home world.

This is usually what I do as well. Still haven't played the beta so I can only take what other people have said about the terraforming at their word. The only other real use I find for this low PQ planet is to put a few of my 'universal' building projects on here, thus gaining the bonuses and not wasting precious space on my homeworld or other larger, more usable planets. Either way, I guess the simple answer would be to just deal with it and hope that it can be improved... or mod the file.

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Mystikmind

Join Date 06/2004

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Build a starport and factories. A couple of factories is enough to pump out constructors. Mars is near earth so usually at some stage it will be boosted by starbases.

Other low PQ worlds in positions unlikely to be boosted by starbases;

The only other real use I find for this low PQ planet is to put a few of my 'universal' building projects on here, thus gaining the bonuses and not wasting precious space on my homeworld or other larger, more usable planets

spot on!

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Mars can actually have a higher PQ than Earth in Dark Avatar, after you get terraforming. In fact, I've gotten the Orbital Terraformer and colonized some class-1's, and they instantly transformed into class-16's.

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I've never had porblems with this fact. I take it, and then just build a bunch of labs to beef up my research at the get go. What I do hate is that my custom race gets a level 10 planet as it's home world but some of the other races get like level 13 worlds.

-Spencer

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I don't really like to leave the neighbouring planet for dead(Basically what you will be if you let a different race colonize and defend it), so I go ahead and colonize it. It may be a waste early on, but later in the game, when all the planets are taken up, you'll wish you had colonized it.

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I grab it and just toss 3 marketplaces on it... Why not make that extra money?

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That little planet you're stuck with is good for an embassy and two research stations. There really isn't a reason to try and manufacture anything there, it's a "third-world" planet.

That's my experience so far.

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Leave it alone, let your neighbour colonize it. Without even touching culture techs the world WILL flip to you quickly with the added bonus that the AI just upgraded it for you. Once it's yours work on Terraforming which is good for your whole game, not just the one planet. You easily end up with a decent planet with little effort.

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I usually play the Terrans, and I think Mars should be at least a Class 10 Barren world. Face it, its gotta be more habitable, easier to terraform, than some toxic or heavy gravity world. It's almost just a dehydrated world - just add water and presto.

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In Dark Avatar, the huge amount of terreformable tiles on the planet make it far too good a deal to pass up. By the end of it, it'll be nearly on par with your homeworld.

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Mars (and I would assume the other same-system planets, by extension) is actually fairly useful. With a starport and a few manufacturing plants, it can produce ships at roughly the same rate as a balanced homeworld. Moreover, it allows you an extra starport close to your homeworld, the value of which cannot be overlooked - if you need to raise an Earth Defense Fleet in a hurry, having a starport on Mars will double the amount of ships you can get to the battlefield.

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Mystikmind

Join Date 06/2004

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It's almost just a dehydrated world - just add water and presto

Youv'e been watching Total Recal!

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I built the orbital terraformer for the first time last game, and it is nasty. All your low quality worlds are instantly good. This game I am resarching specifically with it in mind and I will build, maybe even buy, it as soon as possible.

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