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While the OTF here is the catch-all place for anything you want to discuss that's not games-related, we request that users refrain from starting overtly political and religious threads here, or others that are very likely to veer to such topics. Such threads more often than not degenerate into flamewars and do nothing to engender friendship and camaraderie among fellow players; in fact they often do the opposite and drive players away.

That is not to say that Stardock has anything against such discussions; this is just not the place for them. Users are welcomed to discuss matters of any kind over on the JoeUser.com Forums (which, being Stardock owned, will use the same login as here so you can just pop right on over and start posting if you like). You can even start your own blog there, be it political or based on another topic.

Thanks for cooperating and helping to keep things friendly here.
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July 10, 2009 11:58:22 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

[post-lock comment removed] (Newest feature)

Yep, that's what happens when we reply for nothing -- has everything been somehow transfered to "JoeUser" ?

Cuz, i went in only 16 minutes after the Lock, in the Games forum. And even more members could post after this!

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July 11, 2009 12:03:32 AM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

Locked means locked. If you were aware that the thread was supposed to be locked, then you shouldn't have bothered trying to get in the last word (*what* you posted is not relevant; the post was closed) after the fact. Bara will be plugging that loophole for the future.

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July 11, 2009 12:20:36 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

I didn't KNOW it was locked while i was typing, thinking, typoeing, evaluating, checking (getting my coffee cup out of the Microwave, answering the phone, etc )  my reply... it was relevant in that particular manner (call it, bad timing) -- but how should i guess if any other threads will get locked under these conditions?

All i'm asking is IF such threads belong to JoeUser -- are they unsalvagable and, as a result, removed some peoples time & opinions expressed?

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July 11, 2009 12:36:15 AM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

but how should i guess if any other threads will get locked under these conditions?

Once Bara rolls out the fix for the loophole, any attempts to post replies after it is locked will get rejected.

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July 11, 2009 4:11:58 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

I can give a perfect example of what these kind of threads can do to a community.

Many years ago there was a lot of speculation about what was going to be done with Iraq. At that point WinCustomize was a small and friendly community - until the infamous Iraq thread. Suddenly community members were at each others throats. This started to spill over into other threads, a number of people developed bad attitudes and the site degenerated.

Topics such as politics and religion should be kept to sites designed for that purpose. People have such opposing views that things never end well.

 

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July 11, 2009 11:52:42 AM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

Yeah, right, whatever - as i suspected... this was a bigger problem that only GunslingerBara or Kryo can handle. My first reaction was that a moderator has intervened in (yet again) another silly "situation" created by an OP and **NOT** made worst by anyone squeezing in supplemental comments -- grammatically correct, btw.

Never been on JoeUser, myself -- but i paid them a quick visit after the strange [post-lock comment removed] auto-delete function only to realize the Lock didn't recuperate anything, anyhow for any reasons than being censored for having an opinion.

Weird.

 

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July 11, 2009 5:45:46 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

JU has a *lot* of categories. Chances are whatever topic someone has come up with that's going to draw the sort of behavior we don't want on the games forums, it has a place on JU.
My point was more that if certain types of behavior are acceptable on one site but not acceptable on another site then doesn't sharing forums between those sites defeat the purpose?

If you're going to say such and such is not allowed here but is allowed there then doesn't it at least behoove you to publish *which* forums there are not shared here?

Where is here anyway? Even the moderators have no idea where someone is posting from. Everyone thinks that here is the site that they frequent but it's not.

I happen to know that /forum/412 exists on Joe User and GalCiv2 and many other places. However most people have no idea. What about the other 755 forums? Can someone tell me specifically which ones are *safe* and which ones are prohibited?

My specific compliant is not about the locking of threads or deleted content. In my opinion not enough threads are locked or enough content deleted. My complaint is that what used to be the GalCiv2 site has essentially become the Off-topic/Impulse/Personal Computing site.

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July 25, 2009 3:13:11 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

........attn: all your answers are loaded and ready to go......just start all paths at THe Beginning...

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August 24, 2009 10:25:39 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Quoting das88,
My religious and political views are right. Why are the right? Because I BELIEVE them, and since I believe them and I'm right about everything because I'm me, it means if you disagree with me your wrong. If you disagree with me and I try to enlighten you and you still disagree with me it means you are an idiot. You are an idiot because I'm right and I know I'm right and my views and beliefs are right because I KNOW they are, and thus any intelligent person would naturally come to the same conclusion. Since you are an idiot I should naturally dismiss anything you might say or any points you may bring up as idiot-babble. Only an idiot would listen to an idiot.

 

I dearly hope you're being satirical.

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August 24, 2009 10:47:00 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I dearly hope you're being satirical.

Probably not.

Afterall.....this IS the Internet....

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August 24, 2009 1:58:32 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

wow, quoting and responding to a reply 3 months short of 2 yrs old...

that's just so... so...

 

 

 

 

oh wait.

forgot, it's the internet.

never mind.

 

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September 6, 2009 4:30:01 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

The threads about political pundit Glenn Beck and the War on Terror have been relocated to JU Politics in keeping with this policy. Posters take note and mind to put future such threads in the appropriate location.

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September 6, 2009 5:13:02 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Thx for that

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September 6, 2009 5:22:22 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

pm'd kryo with essentially the same message, v.

kryo...please move the health insurance stuff there too?

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September 6, 2009 6:31:42 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

....(could move the entire Off Topic Forum to JU, in my opinion.) 

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September 6, 2009 6:38:31 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

the health care thing should have been posted under current news instead of off topic

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September 6, 2009 6:51:08 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

....(could move the entire Off Topic Forum to JU, in my opinion.)
Actually the entire Off-topic forum is already on JU. The problem is that it's also on the demigod, elemental, galciv2, impulsedriven, sinsofasolarempire, stardock and wincustomize sites as well. The only sites that the Off-topic forum is not on are the vistathemes, xpthemes, TGN and politicalmachine sites.

If I had my druthers I would prefer to post on all sites *except* for JU and WinCustomize as those sites seem to have a much different type of clientele that in general I would prefer to not associate with. But I don't have my druthers so the only way to reach those that I do feel I have something in common with is to use the Off-topic forum and hope that most JU denizens will realize that since the post is not in their Politics forum that it was most likely not addressed to them and therefore will be less likely to respond.

kryo...please move the health insurance stuff there too?
If Kryo wishes this thread moved then I will happily delete it as I have no interest in continuing a discussion with only folks that I don't particularly wish to associate.

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September 6, 2009 7:23:17 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

....(could move the entire Off Topic Forum to JU, in my opinion.)
Actually the entire Off-topic forum is already on JU. The problem is that it's also on the demigod, elemental, galciv2, impulsedriven, sinsofasolarempire, stardock and wincustomize sites as well.

 

Off-Topic has been flooding our WC forum in the last few weeks....politcals...games...'please talk about the first thing that comes into your head' prattle.....and the extremely classy.."Do I just have a dirty mind, or"...which is just plain "Off".

Would be wonderful if WC could be bypassed....we're quite capable of creating our own prattle...

The computing posts are fine....but the swamping of our own threads with this stuff is a real turn off for visiting the forums...

 

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September 6, 2009 7:26:52 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Mumble's health care thread looks reasonably civil as yet, so I see no need to bother it. Can't say the same for those other threads, whose author seems to thrive on contention.

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September 6, 2009 7:28:47 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Come to think of it.. why is this thread on WC?

Lets get back to skinning

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September 6, 2009 7:31:54 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting sydneysiders,

Off-Topic has been flooded our WC forum in the last few weeks....politcals...games...'please talk about the first thing that comes into your head' prattle.....and the extremely classy.."Do I just have a dirty mind, or"...which is just plain "Off".

Would be wonderful if WC could be bypassed....we're quite capable of creating our own prattle...

The computing posts are fine....but the swamping of our own threads with this stuff is a real turn off for visiting the forums...

 


I couldn't agree with you more.  My replies #7 and 9 in this thread  http://forums.wincustomize.com/362212 is how I felt and still feel.

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September 6, 2009 7:32:16 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

Come to think of it.. why is this thread on WC?

Blame Brad for that one, it was already here (note it's about three years old) before he put the OTF there.

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September 6, 2009 7:35:28 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting kryo,
Mumble's health care thread looks reasonably civil as yet, so I see no need to bother it. Can't say the same for those other threads, whose author seems to thrive on contention.

My post had to do with relevance to WC, not civilty. I wasn't aware the number of and/or frequency of foul language was related to Thread site. I thought subject was the criterion.

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September 6, 2009 7:41:05 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

As noted in the OP, the reasoning for the thread moves, and the rule in general, is that such threads very rarely remain civil (if they even begin such), and it's the lack of civility in threads not at all related to our products causing community fragmentation on the various sites that is the underlying concern. So on the off chance that a thread does stay civil, there's room for a bit of flex in the rule.

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September 6, 2009 7:45:42 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

Off-Topic has been flooded our WC forum in the last few weeks
That's the way it goes everywhere. It was the same on GalCiv2. When the game was in full swing, a few Off-topic threads would go by every once and awhile but the predominate talk was exclusively GalCiv2. However that was when the top 50 posts would turn over in the course of an hour or so that was only natural.

Eventually as the normal site specific traffic slowed down then as a percentage the Off-topic along with Impulse and Personal Computing traffic became the predominate traffic. In some sense it's damned if you do or damned if you don't because what's essentially happening is that the site is dying and if it were left to it's own devices it would probably die out completely.

I can only say the same thing that was said to me when I made these very same complaints and that is you can clearly see that these posts originate in the Off-topic forum and if they really don't interest you then you really don't *have* to open the thread and read stuff that you know is only going to annoy you.

I know this is easier said than done because of the "train wreck" syndrome but that's the best I got. Ideally folks should have some control over who they wish to target as their audience but such is not the case and those that make the decisions have made it clear that the forum sharing will continue "as is".

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