I signed this thread because of all the carrier thread spamming (one thread would be ok, but jeez), but I don't hate them. I do care if they are implemented properly though, and I'm not convinced this is possible.

Currently, I haven't seen a good reason for including them, except for 'flavour'.

Aircraft carriers on Earth carry aircraft to give them air support, and spread a country's air power across stretches of water. It adds a new dimension to combat that would otherwise leave the fleet at a disadvantage.

How would spacecraft carrying spacecraft be good for the game?

In Battlestar Galactica, the Vipers are useful because the Battlestar is harder to maneouver, and you're not putting all your eggs in one basket by keeping your guns on one ship. In GalCiv2, ships are equally maneouverable, and it's already possible to use multiple smaller ships instead of larger ones.

There is also too much disagreement between players on what they would actually do in the game!

I think we should forget Carriers in GC2, but reconsider them for GC3. From what I've gathered, GC3 will have tactical battles, so there may be a niche there that carriers can fill. (Perhaps larger ships have to spend more time turning to change direction).

As it is right now, carriers would be too much work to implement, without adding any serious benefits to the game. Therefore, I would rather forget about them this time.

Maybe next time!   

Agreed. Can't they take no for an answer?

personally like the idea of carriers in the game but that horse died long ago. Give it up already.

So then all of you are going to give up asking for anything you want in the game as well? Will you quit asking for a green turn button? Or a nerfed morale/economy building? Or rewritten alliance code? Or altered ship dynamics? Or a million and one other things that the devs made updates for? Updates which caused many of us to have problems running our games because some people abused the AI? Updates which amount to meaningless online time wasted on downloading and searching to see if there is an update to fix the issue you got when you downloaded the last update that was supposed to fix the economy thingy? Please. If the devs can selectively add whatever they want to, then they have to listen to all ideas, from all players. But to tell us to give up asking for something, then quit asking for things yourself. Maybe what you want added is trivial to me. Who knows. Who really cares. If you don't like the music playing you change the station. Same in here. Don't read the thread. And if you read it and have nothing positive to say (as I was told once in here by some little elfin character) then don't say anything at all!

So then all of you are going to give up asking for anything you want in the game as well?

I can only speak for myself, but once the rational arguments have been made and rejected, Yes. Once the conversation devolves into:

LALALALALA BUILD CARRIERS LALALALALA MUAHAHA!

LALALALALA BURN CARRIERS LALALALALAL HAM.

it's pretty clear rational argument is over.

People often disagree with ideas posted here. But generally, they make their argument against the idea in the thread itself and that's the extent of it. When was the last time you saw a thread whose sole purpose is to complain about a topic that they're sick of hearing about? This is the only one I've ever seen.

To continue posting about such a subject seems like you're more interested in trolling for a flame war than in rational discourse.

It is apparent that Stardock hates them (for whatever reason) so we will never see them, short of a mod, if it is possible.

They don't hate them. They simply judge that there are other things worth investing time more than carriers.

I'm not against carriers, but the devs have made clear that they won't be added and this should be the final point of any discussion. Every posting about carriers after Brad's statement was just a nuisance, even more when done in a new thread. And the collection of "signatures" for carriers is just as childish as ours here.

Why do you guys hate carriers so much? Give me a firm reason. And don't say that its because its not gonna happen.

I'm absolutely astounded.

Read this very carefully. It's not the IDEA of carriers that anyone here is interested about. Brad has confirmed these will never happen, and I really wasn't that interested either way. I don't hate carriers.

I do hate logging into the forums in the morning and seeing seven threads about carriers. Seven. Some were dragged up from April just to prove a point. The point has been made, and the counter point has been made. This should now be dead, or at least in one post, rationally arguing the pros and cons.

This obviously will not happen on the forums, because people like have absolutely no comprehension whatsoever of the problem. It's the damn threads.

Now, you can shut up, because THAT'S the reason so many people are pissed off at this topic.

I think we should forget Carriers in GC2, but reconsider them for GC3

Actually, there is going to be an expansion after Dark Avatar(if dark avatar makes enough money). We want stardock to put carriers in that.

Agreed. Can't they take no for an answer?

No.

If you don't like the music playing you change the station. Same in here. Don't read the thread. And if you read it and have nothing positive to say (as I was told once in here by some little elfin character) then don't say anything at all!

Thats what I said!(reply 14)

When was the last time you saw a thread whose sole purpose is to complain about a topic that they're sick of hearing about? This is the only one I've ever seen. To continue posting about such a subject seems like you're more interested in trolling for a flame war than in rational discourse.

Seriosly, you guys are so childish!!!!

Every time you make a post about carriers, I drown a bag of kittens. Please, think of the kittens.

Take it easy, dude!
Do whatever, just don't drown the kittens!!
LOL

I'm absolutely astounded

Why?

[edited: When I said take it in private, I meant it.]

Fine, carriers for GC3 then.
You may have won this battle but the war continues!(we still have more votes)
MUHAHAHAHAHA!!!

are you THAT ignorant?

Why, yes, yes I am!

BTW, You guys (i.e. marcathonas)wouldn't know a good idea if it bit 'cha on the backside.

I am just about sick of you, marcathonas.

If you guys hate carriers so much then why do you just "HAPPEN" to be reading every single post there ever was about carriers and "HAPPEN" to "ACCIDENTALLY" leave a reply on how much you hate carriers and the(now very familiar to us)" it's not gonna happen speech" AND THEN WHY ARE WE THE SPAMMERS??!!(angry tone)  

Do we go around leaving replies about how stupid your ideas are?!
I know I never did!!

WE OUTNUMBER THE CARRIER-HATERS 10 TO 1. MAJORITY RULES. The devs(as the creaters of the game)have every right to say what they say.

Okey, even if it is hopeless for carriers to be in GC2, GC3, GC4, GC5 and as far GC is gonna go. We are talking among ourselves!! WHY DOES IT BOTHER YOU?!!

WHY????

Yeah, Brad has refused carriers for GC2. WE ALREADY HEARD!!! I'm not going around begging him to change his mind. I'm absolutly fine with his decision.

In fact, I have proof that I restarted the carrier thing after it was left in its quiet grave for 5 months in a thread that marcathonas knows very well.
Before I made my thread there were 27 carrier threads(which were very old)!
71 people replied spread the idea through their own threads.
Kryo can delete it but the influence has already spread. There are already 200 carrier threads and counting. AND PLEASE 200 IS A VERY LOW NUMBER COMPARED WITH 131924!!!

Marcathonas, I'm sick of you.

This is for Marcathonas(In fact the entire message is mostly aimed at him):

Do I go around to insult every post about an idea that I think is stupid?!
Okey, I only did that once with stormbringer's joke. Why all the "Brad said this" and "Brad said that". Don't you think I heard him?!

We all heard him. But I'm not complaining about that to him(sometimes I did complain but that was due to your constant unneeded sarcasm and most of the time it was aimed at you). He has every right to reject ideas(as the create of the gamer).
But who made you stardock's CEO?!(whatever that means. I just know it means boss or something)

Since when is it your job to visit every post and be all Mr.I'm in a bad mood?????

So let's hear what Mr. My word is law has to say.

Since when is it your job to visit every post and be all Mr.I'm in a bad mood????? So let's hear what Mr. My word is law has to say.

I thought Cari demoted him to visitor status like two hours ago?

I noticed it when he posted in another thread, and one of the web dev guys said that it was because demoting him only did it for the galciv2 forums, not the other ones that the posts syndicate to like tgn.net.  The web dev told me that he would make the night hawk a visitor on all the forums.  this last one though is after that discussion as well, so it's being investigated.

Actually, for a 12 year old night hawk can make a surprisingly cogent argument. Though it's clear he can be childish at times, it's unclear that it's any more frequently than some of us supposedly more mature posters.